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1 | Where was Lazarus for 4 days? | John 11:11 | kalos | 57609 | ||
"Soul-sleep" conflicts with the gospel "Other distinctive SDA [Seventh Day Adventist] teachings include . . . the doctrine of “soul sleep,” a misnomer for the belief that between death and resurrection one is essentially non-existent except in the memory of God; the annihilation of the wicked (as opposed to conscious torment for eternity). "The soul-sleep doctrine conflicts with the gospel because, closely examined and fully understood, it actually constitutes a denial of the resurrection (though it is doubtful any SDA understands it to be so). Notwithstanding a smattering of “proof-texts,” the annihilation doctrine is definitely aberrant from the teaching of the Bible. It leaves the sinner facing no eternal consequences for his sin; angst over annihilation will not survive annihilation. Indeed, many people today think annihilation preferable to even this life. They live on only because they cannot shake the conviction that there is “hell to pay.” God has set eternity in their hearts (Eccl. 3:11)" (www.watchman.org/profile/sdapro.htm). |
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2 | Where was Lazarus for 4 days? | John 11:11 | danieln | 57615 | ||
this is an interesting response, didnt the origional questioner ask for biblical references??? :) "It leaves the sinner facing no eternal consequences for his sin;" errr.. being eternally dead IS an eternal consequence Rev 21:8 But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death. "Indeed, many people today think annihilation preferable to even this life. They live on only because they cannot shake the conviction that there is “hell to pay.”" it may be some peoples opinion that annihilation is not much of a punishment... but consider the way the execution of the punishment is described, ie burning in fire and brimstone(personally i would think that burning to death would be about the worst way to go). besides the world today is ignorant of what God has in store for us, i think the biggest punishment will be in missing out on communion with God etc especially as the whole universe will see and acknowledge that Jesus is worthy of glory honor and power. 1Co 2:9 But as it is written, Eye hath not seen, nor ear heard, neither have entered into the heart of man, the things which God hath prepared for them that love him. Rev 19:11 And I saw heaven opened, and behold a white horse; and he that sat upon him was called Faithful and True, and in righteousness he doth judge and make war. Rev 19:12 His eyes were as a flame of fire, and on his head were many crowns; and he had a name written, that no man knew, but he himself. Rev 19:13 And he was clothed with a vesture dipped in blood: and his name is called The Word of God. Rev 19:14 And the armies which were in heaven followed him upon white horses, clothed in fine linen, white and clean. Rev 19:15 And out of his mouth goeth a sharp sword, that with it he should smite the nations: and he shall rule them with a rod of iron: and he treadeth the winepress of the fierceness and wrath of Almighty God. Rev 19:16 And he hath on his vesture and on his thigh a name written, KING OF KINGS, AND LORD OF LORDS. |
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3 | Where was Lazarus for 4 days? | John 11:11 | kalos | 57617 | ||
Man is made up of three parts: Spirit, Soul and Body 1 Thessalonians 5:23 says, "Now may the God of peace Himself sanctify you entirely; and may your spirit and soul and body be preserved complete, without blame at the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ." There is a difference between man's breath and spirit: "Thus says the Lord, who created the heavens and stretched them out, who spread out the earth and its offspring, who gives breath to the people on it, and spirit to those who walk in it." Isaiah 42:5 Destination After Death "For to me, to live is Christ, and to die is gain. But if I am to live on in the flesh, this will mean fruitful labor for me; and I do not know which to choose. But I am hard-pressed from both directions, having the desire to depart and be with Christ, for that is very much better; yet to remain on in the flesh is more necessary for your sake." Philippians 1:21-24 "Therefore, being always of good courage, and knowing that while we are at home in the body we are absent from the Lord—for we walk by faith, not by sight—we are of good courage, I say . . . and prefer rather to be absent from the body and to be at home with the Lord." 2 Corinthians 5:6-8 The Soul is Conscious After Death Revelation 6:9-11 "And when He broke the fifth seal, I saw underneath the altar the souls of those who had been slain because of the word of God, and because of the testimony which they had maintained; and they cried out with a loud voice, saying, 'How long, O Lord, holy and true, wilt Thou refrain from judging and avenging our blood on those who dwell on the earth?' And there was given to each of them a white robe; and they were told that they should rest for a while longer, until the number of their fellow servants and their brethren who were to be killed even as they had been, should be completed also." Obviously a person's soul is more than his breath. These robed souls under the altar, crying out to God, are not "breaths." Note that these souls are conscious after death. They were martyred and after death are very much alive in Heaven. They have the ability to cry out to God and to wear white robes. God Himself tells them that more of their brethren will join them after they are killed. Again in Revelation 20:4 "And I saw thrones; and they sat upon them, and judgement was given to them. And I saw the souls of those who had been beheaded because of the testimony of Jesus and because of the word of God, and those who had not worshipped the beast or his image, and had not received the mark upon their forehead and upon their hand; they came to life and reigned with Christ for a thousand years." Additional Scriptures Indicating the Consciousness of the Soul after Death Job 26:5-6 Matthew 22:31, 32 Luke 16:19-31 1 Thessalonians 5:10 Isaiah 14:9-11; 15-17 When the Soul Leaves the Body, the Body Sleeps The term "sleep" is never applied to the soul or the spirit, but only the body. The soul and the spirit continue to exist after death. The body "sleeps" and goes back to dust. (http://www.sdaoutreach.org/dead.html) |
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4 | Where was Lazarus for 4 days? | John 11:11 | danieln | 57630 | ||
"Man is made up of three parts: Spirit, Soul and Body" i agree Philippians 1:21-24 Paul is simply expressing his desire to end his troubled existance and be with Christ, many christians over the centurys have had the same desire and not necessirly expected to be ushered into Christs presence at the moment of their deaths. Also the dead in Christ do not experience the interviening time between death and resurection. Pauls statement needs to be interpreted on the basis of his clear teachings of when the believers will be united with Christ. 1Th 4:16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first: 1Th 4:17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord. the "so" (houtos) refers to the way believers will be united with Christ, ie not by dying but by being ressurected or translated at his comming. if you have a concordance you will notice that houtos means "in this way", placed at the beginning of the sentence it emphasises that "in this way shall we ever be with the Lord." Revelation 6:9-11 you cant ignore that alot of revelation is apocalyptic symbols that are not photographs of actual realitys but "symbolic representations of almost unimaginable spiritual realities". Obviously there are no white, red, black and pale horses with warlike riders and Christ does not appear in heaven in the form a lamb with a bleeding knife wound(rev 5:6) the scene of the martrys squeezed at the base of an altar are to reassure those facing death and matrydom that they will ultimately be vindicated by God(do you really believe that matrys go to heaven where they sit underneath the altar and cry with a loud voice?) The symbolism comes from leviticus where the blood of sacrifices was poured at the bottom of the altar(Lev 4:7) "When the Soul Leaves the Body, the Body Sleeps The term "sleep" is never applied to the soul or the spirit, but only the body. The soul and the spirit continue to exist after death. The body "sleeps" and goes back to dust." how do you know that it is talking specifically only about the body? ("Our friend Lazarus has fallen asleep; but I go, so that I may awaken him out of sleep.") this verse uses Lazarus's name ie the person as a whole. ask yourself, what is the difference between someone who is asleep and someone who is awake, the person asleep is unconsious and the person awake is consious, the body is still very much awake(heart pumping, breathing, cellular functions), it is the mind that is asleep when we say someone is asleep. for this reason i can only conclude that when the bible describes death as a sleep i must understand that that means unconsiousness (and the bible describes death as sleep many times "david slept with his fathers etc..) also (to return the origonal question) if Lazarus did experience anything while "dead", he certainly doesnt say much about it... you might expect something like "wow, i was in heaven....", in fact if he was in paradise then Jesus would not have been doing him any favors by ressurecting him back into our world. thanks for reading if you got this far :) daniel |
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5 | Where was Lazarus for 4 days? | John 11:11 | kalos | 57633 | ||
Daniel: I did read "this far". I, too, thank you for hearing me out and for your courtesy. :-) kalos ------------- When the Soul Leaves the Body, the Body Sleeps The term "sleep" is never applied to the soul or the spirit, but only the body. The soul and the spirit continue to exist after death. The body "sleeps" and goes back to dust. The following verses refer to the state of the body's death as sleep: Matthew 9:24 "He began to say, 'Depart; for the girl has not died, but is asleep.' And they were laughing at Him." John 11:11 "This He said, and after that He said to them, 'Our friend Lazarus has fallen asleep; but I go, that I may awaken him out of sleep.'"Acts 7:59-60 "And they went on stoning Stephen as he called upon the Lord and said, 'Lord Jesus, receive my spirit!' And falling on his knees, he cried out with a loud voice, 'Lord do not hold this sin against them!' And having said this, he fell asleep." Acts 13:36 "For David, after he had served the purpose of God in his own generation fell asleep, and was laid among his fathers, and underwent decay." 1 Thessalonians 4:14 "For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so God will bring with Him those who have fallen asleep in Jesus." Man's Soul and Man's Spirit are More than Breath 1 Samuel 18:1 "Now it came about when he had finished speaking to Saul, that the soul of Jonathan was knit to the soul of David, and Jonathan loved him as himself." 2 Samuel 5:8 "And David said on that day, 'Whoever would strike the Jebusites, let him reach the lame and the blind, who are hated by David's soul, through the water tunnel.' Therefore they say, the blind or the lame shall not come into the house." Mark 14:34 "And He said to them, 'My soul is deeply grieved to the point of death; remain here and keep watch.'" Psalm 107:26 "They rose up to the heavens, they went down to the depth; their souls melted away in their misery." Luke 2:35 " . . . and a sword will pierce even your own soul to the end that thoughts from many hearts may be revealed." Man's Spirit is what is Regenerated John 3:6-7 "That which is born of flesh is flesh, and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit. Do not marvel that I said to you, 'You must be born again.'" God Works Through Man's Spirit Proverbs 20:27 "The spirit of man is the lamp of the Lord, searching all the innermost parts of his being." (http://www.sdaoutreach.org/dead.html) |
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6 | Where was Lazarus for 4 days? | John 11:11 | Cyclist | 57648 | ||
daniel and kalos, Who is like You among, O LORD? Who is like You, majestic in holiness, Awesome in praises, working wonders? I will praise you, my God, my Savior, my Lord! Blessed be the name of the Lord! Thank you for the interesting replies to my question about Lazarus' where abouts for 4 days. Cyclist I will bless the Lord at all times! His praise shall continually be in my mouth! |
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7 | Where was Lazarus for 4 days? | John 11:11 | danieln | 57663 | ||
no problem, though i wonder if our conflicting answers would confuse you more than anything lol | ||||||
8 | Where was Lazarus for 4 days? | John 11:11 | Cyclist | 57687 | ||
daniel, I will sing of the mercies of the Lord forever! Praise be to our God! Praise be to Jesus Christ! Yours and kalos posts confusing to me, not at all. Your posts filled with scripture reference, which is what I asked for, DEFINATELY! Again, Thank you! Cyclist I will bless the Lord at all times! His praise shall continaully be in my mouth! |
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