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1 | How can God (Jesus) increase in wisdom? | Luke 2:52 | bob r. | 47061 | ||
to nate2go I apreciate your response but either I don't understand your answer or you didn't understand my question. I'll try again. If Christ is God and God is all knowing, how can He increase in wisdom? Is Luke saying that Christ is not God? Is he saying God is not all knowing? I believe that Christ is God and that God is all knowing, so what is Luke trying to tell us here? bob r. |
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2 | How can God (Jesus) increase in wisdom? | Luke 2:52 | nate2go | 47318 | ||
Bob, You referenced John 1:1 in your question. What I'd like you to do is read and meditate on John 14 the whole chapter. Throughout that chapter Jesus explain's His position in relationship to God. Also read John 12:49, 13:3. But one of the most vivid verses for me, which shows the relationship of God and Jesus is in Matt. 20:23, where the mother of Zebedee's sons ask Jesus to let her children sit on His left and right hand side when they get to heaven. Jesus tells them Matthew 20:23 "...but to sit on My right hand, and on my left, is not mine to give, but it is for those for whom it is prepared by My Father." If Christ, having returned to heaven, tells us that He does not have the authority to decide who will sit on His right or His left, then how can they be One and the same? If they were both equal in Power and Authority, then do you think Christ would know who would sit where? |
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3 | How can God (Jesus) increase in wisdom? | Luke 2:52 | John Reformed | 47351 | ||
Dear Nate, Jesus Christ is the second person of the Trinity. Therefore He is as much God as the Father and as much God as the Holy Spirit. One in essense and substance but manifested in 3 persons. When Jesus took on human flesh He also took on human nature, but He did not lose His devine Nature in the process. He is the God-Man. In the unity of the Godhead there be three Persons of one substance, power, and eternity: God the Father, God the Son, and God the Holy Ghost. The Father is of none, neither begotten nor proceeding; the Son is eternally begotten of the Father; the Holy Ghost, eternally proceeding from the Father and the Son.(WCF) Agree? John |
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4 | How can God (Jesus) increase in wisdom? | Luke 2:52 | nate2go | 47382 | ||
Hi John, I totally agree with your last sentence only which stated, "The Father is of none, neither begotten nor proceeding; the Son is eternally begotten of the Father; the Holy Ghost, eternally proceeding from the Father and the Son.(WCF) I can't, however, say that I agree with the "Trinity" theory. I say this not only because their seems to be no reference made to a "Trinity" in the bible, but more because in most of Jesus's statement about Himself and the Father, He always acknowledges that He was sent, from Him (the Father, or God). And Jesus always states that He (Jesus), can do nothing unless the Father "wills" it. But maybe you can explain this to me. If the Two of them ARE indeed actually One. Then why was Jesus's sweat "...like drops of blood" in the Mount of Olives (or Garden of Gethsemane)as written in Luke 22:44? In this same scripture Christ went back to the Father and prayed 3 times for God to "...take this cup from me; yet not my will, but Yours be done" (NIV version). According to the scriptures, no one was with him (His apostles were asleep), so who was he (Christ), trying to convince that He was talking to someone else (or was he talking to Himself)? Another verse which I've read which seems to support my One God, One Christ, One Spirit theory is written in Mark 13:32. In response to the question about the day and hour of the end of time, Jesus states; "No one knows about that day or hour, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but ONLY (my emphasis) the Father". If again, they are all equal in knowledge, wouldn't ALL of them know the time and hour? The only time I hear Christ acknowledge that He is equal to God is when he makes statements like, I and My Father are One. He will usually go on to state, "...if you (meaning we) believe, we will also be as one". Does this mean we will become God as well? In John 14, which I mentioned earlier, almost this whole chapter is Jesus's statement of His position next to His Father. In John 14:28-31, He even says, "if you love me, you would be glad that I am going to the Father, for the Father is greater than I" later in the same verse He goes on to say, "...but the world must learn I love the Father and that I do exactly what my Father has commanded me." These remarks are in Jesus's own words, not a divine interpretation as in 1 John which was written by John. In John 14:9 this is where I think most people believes that Jesus and God the Father are the same when Jesus states, "Anyone who has seen me has seen the Father...," and "...don't you believe that I am in the Father, and that the Father is in Me"? But when you read further Christ goes on to finish with, "The words I say to you are not just my own. Rather it is the Father, living in me, who is doing His work." I could go on and on showing scriptures of Jesus himself acknowledgeing that God the Father is greater than He (Christ) is, not just on earth, but also when Christ gets back to heaven, and even before He came down to earth. However I can only find a few verses where it looks like Christ is saying that they both are equal, and have equal power and knowledge about everything. And the Holy Spirit, from what I read in the Bible, is a separate entity and yet a part of both the Father and the Son. Before I close I want everyone to know that my remarks are not to convince ANYONE that I'm right or they are wrong. This is just what I see and feel when I read the scriptures. Have a blessed day! |
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5 | How can God (Jesus) increase in wisdom? | Luke 2:52 | John Reformed | 47392 | ||
Dear Nate, You wrotr: "But maybe you can explain this to me. If the Two of them ARE indeed actually One. Then why was Jesus's sweat "...like drops of blood" in the Mount of Olives (or Garden of Gethsemane)as written in Luke 22:44? In this same scripture Christ went back to the Father and prayed 3 times for God to "...take this cup from me; yet not my will, but Yours be done" (NIV version)." Rather than go into a lenghty exposition on Luke 22:44 (in which I would have stressed the dual nature of the God-Man Jesus Christ), permit to use our Lords own statement about Himself and His relationship with the Father: Jhn 10:30 "I and [my] Father are one." Jesus is fully God and fully man at the same time! The fact that our comparatively puny minds can't grasp this truth is no good reason for not believing it. If you can't trust what He said regarding His nature, how can one trust Himfor salvation? How do you explain Jesus' claim to unity with God the Father? John |
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6 | How can God (Jesus) increase in wisdom? | Luke 2:52 | nate2go | 47395 | ||
John 17:20-23 "My prayer is not for them alone. I pray also for those who will believe in me through their message, that ALL OF THEM may be one, Father, just as YOU are in me and I am in you. May they also be in US so that the world may believe that you have sent me. I have given them the glory that you gave me, that THEY may be one, as WE are one. I in them and YOU in me. May they be brought to complete UNITY to let the world know that you sent me and have loved THEM even as you have loved ME". Note: The capital letters or use as emphasis because I don't know how to italicize this format. Please don't think I am "yelling" or being rude in responding to you. |
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7 | How can God (Jesus) increase in wisdom? | Luke 2:52 | John Reformed | 47448 | ||
Dear Nate, It would help to know precisely what you believe the Scripture says about the Father, the Son and the Holy Ghost. How do you define their relationship? Easton's Bible Dictionary Trinity: A word not found in Scripture, but used to express the doctrine of the unity of God as subsisting in three distinct Persons. This word is derived from the Gr. trias, first used by Theophilus (A.D. 168-183), or from the Lat. trinitas, first used by Tertullian (A.D. 220), to express this doctrine. The propositions involved in the doctrine are these: 1. That God is one, and that there is but one God (Deuteronomy 6:4; 1 Kings 8:60; Isaiah 44:6; Mark 12:29,32; John 10:30). 2. That the Father is a distinct divine Person distinct from the Son and the Holy Spirit. 3. That Jesus Christ was truly God, and yet was a Person distinct from the Father and theHoly Spirit. 4. That the Holy Spirit is also a distinct divine Person. We are all "Humankind" and in that sense we are all one. But at the same time, we are individual "persons". We see ourselves as distinct creatures, seperate from one another. But in reality we are one organic whole. That is why when Adam sinned we all sinned and that is why we all are found guilty from conception onwards. God could have chosen to save "Humankind" but instead it pleased Him to save some and to pass by the rest. He did not tell us why. He just said "...does not the potter have a right over the clay, to make from the same lump one vessel for honorable use and another for common use? Jesus came forth from the Father for the pupose of saving His people from their sins. He was not a son of Adam. He was the new Adam. His human nature was derived from Mary but He was begotten of the Holy Spirit. He was not born of the seed of man. Thus, He Is both God and Man. You also have not addressed my statement regarding the dual nature Of Jesus Christ. Thanks, John |
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8 | How can God (Jesus) increase in wisdom? | Luke 2:52 | nate2go | 47516 | ||
Thanks for your comment. It's been a pleasure discussing this with you but our view don't seem to be doing anything but creating friction between us. I can see that my own understanding of what I believe is creating more of an issue than it should. I guess that's the problem of "man" when he is trying to explain his point of view to another, or trying to convince someone of something they don't agree with. Something always gets lost, or confused, in the process. Therefore I will take the advice of Titus 3:9 and 2 Tim 2:23 which reads: Titus 3:9 "But avoid foolish controversies and genealogies and arguments and quarrels about the law, because these are unprofitable and useless." 2 Tim 2:22-24 "Flee the evil desires of youth, and pursue righteousness, faith, love and peace, along with those who call on the Lord out of a pure heart. Don't have anything to do with foolish and stupid arguments, because you know they produce quarrels. And the Lord's servant must not quarrel; instead, he must be kind to everyone, able to teach, not resentful. My discussion about this subject is now over, May God bless you in all the works of you hand and have a blessed day! |
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9 | How can God (Jesus) increase in wisdom? | Luke 2:52 | John Reformed | 47528 | ||
Dear Nate, I was not aware of any "friction" between us. If you felt offended by anything I wrote, believe me it was unintentional. As far as our dicussion is concerned, I do not consider the question of the nature of God to be a foolish controversy. Who we believe Jesus is may make the difference on where you or I spend eternity!!! Mormans claim to believe in Jesus, but they believe Him to be the brother of Lucifer (Satan). They have a different Jesus and unless God opens there eyes they will perish. Feel free to post me anytime you wish. I still do not know who you believe Jesus is.(check out trinity in the quick search) John John |
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10 | How can God (Jesus) increase in wisdom? | Luke 2:52 | nate2go | 47544 | ||
I believe Jesus is the Christ. The SON of the living God. Who will one day sit at the right hand of the Father, and will rule all the earth as it is written in the bible. I believe He is the Lamb of God who takes away the sins of the world. I belive Jesus is the true vine, and His Father is the Gardener who will cut off every branch in Him that does not bear fruit. (John 15:1). I believe Christ is the way and the truth, and the life. And that no one can come through the Father except through Him. (John 14:6) I DON'T believe in the triune god theory (I once read that this theory was once a pagan belief). But most of all, I believe the words of Jesus just as they are written. I don't try to give my interpretation of what it means. If Jesus says, "the Father is greater than I", then I believe THAT's what He meant. If he's says, "Only the Father knows, not even the Son knows", then I believe THAT's what He meant. I also believe that you and I can go on, and on, and on, and on, about this subject, and what we believe will still be the same today, tomorrow, and 2 years from now. You wrote, "As far as our dicussion is concerned, I do not consider the question of the nature of God to be a foolish controversy." My answer to that is the nature of God is NOT foolish, but our trying to convince each other of what we believe, is. So let me make this very, very, clear to you so that you are not confused anymore about what I believe. Here goes, "I do NOT believe in the concept of the trinity. And unless the Holy Spirit convinces me other wise (and let me reinterate what I just said, THE HOLY SPIRIT), I will continue to believe that Jesus is just the Son of God, who is loved by the Father, since the beginning of time. Have a blessed day! |
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11 | How can God (Jesus) increase in wisdom? | Luke 2:52 | Lionstrong | 47556 | ||
Dear Nate, When my Jehovah Witness neighbors deny the deity of Christ by saying he is the SON of God, not God, I explain to them that a son always shares the nature of his father. If a giraffe has a son, will it have the nature of a hippopotamus? If an ape has a son, will it be a dog? If a man has a son, will he have the nature of a bird? Jesus is both the son of man and the Son of God. He has both a true and full human nature and a true and full divine nature. He is truly God and truly man. The Pharisees understood his claim, but because they didn’t believe it was true, they wanted to stone him for blasphemy. And of course, if Jesus' claim to be God’s Son was not true, the Pharisees were right in wanting to put him to death for blasphemy. The Pharisees understood what Jesus meant when he said he was the Son of God, and this is what I try to get my Witness friends to understand. Do you understand Jesus claim to be the Son of God, Nate? John 5:18 For this reason therefore the Jews were seeking all the more to kill Him, because He not only was breaking the Sabbath, but also was calling God His own Father, making Himself equal with God. Peace, |
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