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NASB | Luke 2:52 ¶ And Jesus kept increasing in wisdom and stature, and in favor with God and men. |
AMPLIFIED 2015 | Luke 2:52 ¶ And Jesus kept increasing in wisdom and in stature, and in favor with God and men. [1 Sam 2:26] |
Subject: How can God (Jesus) increase in wisdom? |
Bible Note: Hi John, I totally agree with your last sentence only which stated, "The Father is of none, neither begotten nor proceeding; the Son is eternally begotten of the Father; the Holy Ghost, eternally proceeding from the Father and the Son.(WCF) I can't, however, say that I agree with the "Trinity" theory. I say this not only because their seems to be no reference made to a "Trinity" in the bible, but more because in most of Jesus's statement about Himself and the Father, He always acknowledges that He was sent, from Him (the Father, or God). And Jesus always states that He (Jesus), can do nothing unless the Father "wills" it. But maybe you can explain this to me. If the Two of them ARE indeed actually One. Then why was Jesus's sweat "...like drops of blood" in the Mount of Olives (or Garden of Gethsemane)as written in Luke 22:44? In this same scripture Christ went back to the Father and prayed 3 times for God to "...take this cup from me; yet not my will, but Yours be done" (NIV version). According to the scriptures, no one was with him (His apostles were asleep), so who was he (Christ), trying to convince that He was talking to someone else (or was he talking to Himself)? Another verse which I've read which seems to support my One God, One Christ, One Spirit theory is written in Mark 13:32. In response to the question about the day and hour of the end of time, Jesus states; "No one knows about that day or hour, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but ONLY (my emphasis) the Father". If again, they are all equal in knowledge, wouldn't ALL of them know the time and hour? The only time I hear Christ acknowledge that He is equal to God is when he makes statements like, I and My Father are One. He will usually go on to state, "...if you (meaning we) believe, we will also be as one". Does this mean we will become God as well? In John 14, which I mentioned earlier, almost this whole chapter is Jesus's statement of His position next to His Father. In John 14:28-31, He even says, "if you love me, you would be glad that I am going to the Father, for the Father is greater than I" later in the same verse He goes on to say, "...but the world must learn I love the Father and that I do exactly what my Father has commanded me." These remarks are in Jesus's own words, not a divine interpretation as in 1 John which was written by John. In John 14:9 this is where I think most people believes that Jesus and God the Father are the same when Jesus states, "Anyone who has seen me has seen the Father...," and "...don't you believe that I am in the Father, and that the Father is in Me"? But when you read further Christ goes on to finish with, "The words I say to you are not just my own. Rather it is the Father, living in me, who is doing His work." I could go on and on showing scriptures of Jesus himself acknowledgeing that God the Father is greater than He (Christ) is, not just on earth, but also when Christ gets back to heaven, and even before He came down to earth. However I can only find a few verses where it looks like Christ is saying that they both are equal, and have equal power and knowledge about everything. And the Holy Spirit, from what I read in the Bible, is a separate entity and yet a part of both the Father and the Son. Before I close I want everyone to know that my remarks are not to convince ANYONE that I'm right or they are wrong. This is just what I see and feel when I read the scriptures. Have a blessed day! |