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1 | universalism? | Luke 23:34 | YenIsaRap | 218964 | ||
Dear Brad I agree with your assessment of Universalism :-), I do not feel there is scripture for that position. My question to you would then be, could you explain why Jesus was only praying for the soldiers, and not all of Israel? And us by extension. I am not seeing the context that you are saying is there. sorry Brother Yen |
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2 | universalism? | Luke 23:34 | BradK | 218985 | ||
Hello Yen, So, I think we'd agree that the Christ's Atonement was sufficient for the whole World. This still leaves us with vs. 34 and to who "they" (autos) refers? I don't think it too narrow (nor of Robertson) to understand it to refer back to vs. 33. I firmly believe the immediate context supports this, does it not? As Searcher noted, the only other "they" could be the two criminals! Speaking the Truth in Love, BradK |
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3 | universalism? | Luke 23:34 | azurelaw | 218989 | ||
Dear Brad, Thank you very much for the helpful and succinct answer. Yes, context is king. By the way, do you know of any other scriptures that are commonly used by the universalists to support their view? Thanks and shalom Azure |
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4 | universalism? | Luke 23:34 | BradK | 218993 | ||
Hello Azure, Here's what my good friend and mentor, Dr. John Ward says of this: "Autos" in this verse refers specifically to the Roman soldiers,as you correctly pointed out, on the basis of the context. However, it would also include all of the unbelief and rejection characterized by the Jews who were rejecting Christ at the time of the crucifixion. Since His prayers are always answered, including the prayer He prayed in the garden of Gethsemane, some have argued that the conversion of the three thousand Jews in Acts 2 may have included some of these Jews who were at the crucifixion. Others have stressed that the verb translated "forgive" should rather be translated "release." This would mean that Jesus was praying that His Father would not immediately judge them. Either way you take this, I believe the prayer was answered. In response to your question, I would agree that the Roman soldiers would be the antecedent of the pronoun "them." I hope this will better clarify and expand my response. Speaking the Truth in Love, BradK |
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5 | universalism? | Luke 23:34 | azurelaw | 218997 | ||
Dear Brad, Are you answering Yen or me? Az |
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6 | universalism? | Luke 23:34 | BradK | 218998 | ||
Hello Azure, Sorry for the confusion:-( Mine was intended as a follow up to you but hope it would also further clarify for Yen:-) Speaking the Truth in Love, BradK |
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