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1 | Place of torment? | Luke 16:19 | lilywine | 243126 | ||
What is the place of torment in Luke 16:27? Is this hell? Or a pre Hell. Is this purgatory? |
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2 | Place of torment? | Luke 16:19 | DocTrinsograce | 243129 | ||
Hi, Lilvwine... Welcome to our forum! The thing that Ed describes is called purgatory. You will find it to be a common doctrine among the Romanists and Dispensationalists. In the former case, it is a traditional teaching of the inadequacy of Christ's complete work of redemption -- which you can find in the Roman Catholic Catechism part 1, section 2, chapter 3. In the latter case, it allows for their hermeneutic of salvation being provided by various means throughout time -- examples of those holding this view would be Jimmy Swaggart, Benny Hinn, Oral Roberts, and T. D. Jakes. Lest you be left with a sense that these are the only answers -- we are, after all, a forum of many denominational backgrounds -- let me point to a few others. There are those who believe in soul sleep, or technically termed conditional morality or Christian mortalism (paradeisos). There are a number of fairly well known cults that hold to this view. Most commonly known, these are the Jehovah's Witness. Another cult holds to what is called annihilationism, which teaches that there is no hell or suffering in the dead, just destruction. It is called annihilationism or extinctionism. These would be the Seventh Day Adventists. The traditionally biblical orthodox, most commonly represented nowadays by various confessional Protestants, hold to the doctrine that salvation has ever and always been through grace alone, by faith alone, through Christ alone. All the others add something to grace, or faith, or even to the atonement of Christ. Those who believe in the full sufficiency of salvation in Christ use the word "alone" to emphasis their understanding of the Biblical teaching. These would include Lutheran, Anglican, Presbyterian, Reformed Baptist, Dutch Reformed, etc. I believe that enumeration is representative of the major groups. In Him, Doc |
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3 | Place of torment? | Luke 16:19 | EdB | 243130 | ||
Correction the thing I described is not purgatory. What I described was what Jesus described as reported in Luke 16. I am told it was the common understanding of the Jews of this time so it made perfect sense to them when Jesus related the story to them. The idea of Purgatory "may" have been formed or based on this but nothing in Luke 16 offers any support for a place of holding until a person is found suitable for heaven. Also to your list of denominations that hold to grace alone, or faith alone through Christ alone you must include most Pentecostals such as Church of God Cleveland Tennessee and the Assemblies of God. Also include in your list the United Methodist and Nazarene who to the best of my knowledge add no other requirement or teaching apart from grace alone or faith alone through Chist alone. |
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