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1 | better for him if a millstone were hung? | Mark 9:39 | Pastor Glenn | 94689 | ||
EdB, Any group that denies the deity of Christ obviously has Jesus Christ wrong. I feel that there are indeed bad teaching with many in the WOF movement, but to say they have a different Christ is very questionable. Now before you fly off the handle as you have so many times before, please pay closer attention to what people actually say. I have been looking for where Gracefull actually said that Jesus was "tortured by Satan". Copeland said it, but Gracefull merely said that He suffered in hell. Well, is that really enough to accuse her of having another Jesus? Also consider this scripture before you decide to weed out the tares: Mat 13 The Parable of the Wheat and the Tares 24 Another parable He put forth to them, saying: "The kingdom of heaven is like a man who sowed good seed in his field; 25but while men slept, his enemy came and sowed tares among the wheat and went his way. 26But when the grain had sprouted and produced a crop, then the tares also appeared. 27So the servants of the owner came and said to him, "Sir, did you not sow good seed in your field? How then does it have tares?' 28He said to them, "An enemy has done this.' The servants said to him, "Do you want us then to go and gather them up?' 29But he said, "No, lest while you gather up the tares you also uproot the wheat with them. 30Let both grow together until the harvest, and at the time of harvest I will say to the reapers, "First gather together the tares and bind them in bundles to burn them, but gather the wheat into my barn.""' Pastor Glenn |
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2 | better for him if a millstone were hung? | Mark 9:39 | EdB | 94703 | ||
Pastor Glenn Copeland along with a few others are recognized as spoke persons for the WOF movement. So yes I think the defense of Copeland has a tendency to allow others to assume you are a supporter of his teaching. And since even you agree Copeland said such a thing and Graceful defended Copeland, is it not fair to assume Graceful too supports that doctrine? Remember also Graceful tried to explain what Copeland meant when he said this, I think that also shows Graceful is not only a supporter but also a student of Copeland’s teaching does it not? No where in the Bible does it say Jesus was tormented in Hell. Knowing the rest of the WOF teaching and following this one aspect to it’s logical conclusion there is an implication the alleged torture was needed for the work of salvation to be complete, however the authentic Jesus announced from the cross "it was finished". The picture WOF paints we see the God of creation in the Hell He created being tormented. Does that sound even remotely like the God of the Bible? There is a Christian song that says it so well,"no one took my life I gave it willingly". Also true Biblical study of the cross and of Old Testament sin sacrifice we see no mention or use of torture. In the Old Testament when animals were sacrificed their death was quick and as painless as technology of the time permitted, any unnecessary pain let alone torture was specifically prohibited and abhorred. The addition of this torment aspect of salvation blurs the true message that Jesus suffered and died upon the cross for our salvation. So in effect it is creating another Jesus, one that had to suffer in hell and a different salvation one that was bought with more than the price of blood but also of the torture of hell. As for your example of wheat and tares. I never once said a thing about Graceful's salvation. I spoke only of their doctrine and what they were teaching. As far as I know Graceful is a wonderful person it is just their theology that they are publicly expounding that stinks. I do not know if they are saved or not. If they look to the God of the Bible and depend on the work of the cross for their salvation then I would assume they are saved, however if they look to the god of the WOF movement and depend on all that WOF includes in the salvation picture then I would say they have a problem. I can also say brilliant and faithful Christian men and women far wiser and much more knowledgeable than I, people who have spent years and years studying the teaching of the WOF movement, have interviewed WOF leadership and have monitored WOF teaching and have come to the conclusion WOF movement has created a different Jesus, that their teaching is aberrant, and because of this WOFy has been declared cultic. It is not I that declares WOF cultic but the leadership of the Christian community. I know that most denominations have either directly addressed WOF teaching calling it error or have written white papers on the subject exposing the false hood of the teaching. When viewed from this perspective is becomes more than just a difference in understanding a particular passage. Or a simple difference of opinion. One has been shown to be truth and the other revealed as a lie. I think since WOF has been declared a cult I can stand safe in saying WOF and Mormons basically have the same problem they worship a created God rather than the authentic God and lump them in the same boat. I think that is fair or do you see it different? EdB |
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