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1 | Holy Spirit baptism and tongues | Mark 9:24 | richilou | 10592 | ||
And concerning the challenge I posed to the pastor I mentioned earlier in my note. Let me tell you my friend that he had nothing to answer but to admit that he will continue to practice what he had learned in the past. So I told him: "Poor brother, what you are telling me is that your tradition seems more solid than what the the text says. For more informations on the subject with a deep exegesis, I recommend you to read a book written by Thomas Edgar ("Satisfied By The Promise of the Spirit). | ||||||
2 | Holy Spirit baptism and tongues | Mark 9:24 | EdB | 10642 | ||
He had nothing to answer? Maybe that man was wiser than I and realized the futility of trying to reason with a person that is vehemently against that which we attempt to reason. Friend I have studied this subject forward and backwards for over 20 years, I willing to say I have read over 50 books both pro and con on this subject. I have studied the responses of Benjamin Warfield, through John MacArthur on the cessation side and have studied the teachings of Charles Parham to Jack Hayford on the gifts are for today side. I have studied the aspects of the heresy of Montanaism. Having heard the points you raise debated many times by many men. I have at one time or another debated this issue from both sides. Through all of this I stand more convinced than ever tongues are for today. Let us stop this endless debate I suspect we can debate this until the cows come home (a phrase from my past that I saw just today after all these years) and never move the other from his position. I guarantee one thing we will both know the answer one day soon! Be blessed and be a blessing Ed |
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3 | Holy Spirit baptism and tongues | Mark 9:24 | richilou | 10689 | ||
The fact is that you seem to believe that I am a cessationist, it is NOT the case at all. Do not think that I don't believe in the gift of tongue, otherwise you would have missed all my point. What I try to say and affirm with what I said is that I do not believe in the tongues AS IT IS PRACTISED IN THE PENTECOSTAL AND CHARISMATIC MOVEMENTS OF TODAY. For the rest, God is God and will ever be able to give what He wants to whom He wants. | ||||||
4 | Holy Spirit baptism and tongues | Mark 9:24 | EdB | 10692 | ||
Okay how are they practiced today that makes them all wrong? | ||||||
5 | Holy Spirit baptism and tongues | Mark 9:24 | richilou | 10704 | ||
If you think that all the gibberish (unintelligible sounds) we hear is real tongues as the the word "glossa" means, my friend, you are in trouble. Because be careful about one thing. Many times I heard the same "chalalabadi" in the same sequence and the interpretation was totally different from time to time. So if the tongue was real you must be at least honest enough to say that the gift of interpretation was very poor. Think about that and if you come back on the issue, I will share you an experience the Dr. Don A Carson lived one time in a charismatic church and you will see the point I try to make. | ||||||
6 | Holy Spirit baptism and tongues | Mark 9:24 | EdB | 10712 | ||
Richlou, you haven’t been listening to me, I have been saying all this time gibberish is not correct. I said the word here was “Glossa” which is in fact language ecstatic utterances of gibberish. Now here is where we differ, Paul said I pray in tongues of men and tongues of angels. I submit to you when your in the prayer closet praying and you yield to the Holy Spirit He will pray through you in the tongues of angels. When your in church and again yield to the Holy Spirit you will speak in tongues of men, it may be a language you do not know but somewhere someone speaks that language. In my experience when this was done properly and in order someone stood up and said, “You just spoke in my native language and you were glorifying God.” The Word says if there is a message in tongues there should be a translation if not tongues are to cease. Many times a person will be afraid to stand and translate, then others should pray to get the translation. I believe the ultimate responsibility rest with the tongue talker, if they felt lead to give a message in tongues and no one translates they have the responsibility to pray for the translation. If they do get it then I would question if they should have given the message to begin. |
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