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1 | Church Fathers? Part V | Mark 7:9 | EdB | 243673 | ||
I think I understand the meaning of the word elenctic. Thanks! The problem is man disproving another man’s position using man’s logic. That is like saying this counterfeit dollar bill is more counterfeit than that one. To teach people to identify counterfeit money they have them handle genuine money, once they get use to handling the genuine they can immediately detect a fake bill. Likewise I no longer want to handle the counterfeit teaching of man or his theology I want to handle the truth found in scripture. Not man’s interpretation of scripture but instead what scripture really said. No changes in context, not changes in sentence structure, no changes in word meaning. I take a literal translation unless it is impossible to do so because it conflicts with established truths of scripture. |
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2 | Church Fathers? Part V | Mark 7:9 | DocTrinsograce | 243676 | ||
Dear Ed, Since logic is the characteristic of God's thinking, and scripture is a part of the mind of God (1 Corinthians 2:16), it follows that scripture must be logical. What is said in Scripture is God's infallible and inerrant thought. This is why Paul could reason with people from Scripture (Acts 17:2). Even God calls us to reason together with Him (Isiah 1:8). Hinduism is anti-thought. As one famous Guru said, "Thought is like a snake in the grass. It must be beaten until it is dead." Christianity at its very roots is a matter of logic. How else do we interpret the first three chapters of Genesis? We understand the anti-intellectual aspects of popular independent church doctrine (a sort of non-sequitur, that!). As Reformed people, we do not reject thought. If we did, your objection would be utterly unintelligible. Yet you clearly demonstrate thought in the choice of words and their sequence. Teach people to handle sound reason, not disband all reason altogether. Then they will immediately detect faulty logic. God, making us in His image, is a rational being. To deny that which is rational is to deny God, to deny the Word (Logos), and to deny sanity. Although, from what I can tell, abandoning logic sure opens the door to a myriad of false doctrine. I do not criticize you, Ed. Abandon thought in your own church among your own congregants, to whatever extent you feel right in doing. I will defend your right to do so. However, you will never, ever be able instruct a Reformed person with that which is fundamentally irrational. I thought you should know. I remember being on an airplane years ago when a young man carefully and quite rationally, explained that logic was an entirely faulty approach to anything in life. Whenever anyone uses logic and rhetoric to deny logic and rhetoric... well, they are hoist with their own petard. We do not need to work very hard in refuting their position. In Him, Doc |
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3 | Church Fathers? Part V | Mark 7:9 | EdB | 243679 | ||
Isaiah 55:8-9 (NASB) 8 "For My thoughts are not your thoughts, Nor are your ways My ways," declares the LORD. 9 "For as the heavens are higher than the earth, So are My ways higher than your ways And My thoughts than your thoughts. I think trying to make a statement about God’s logic in comparison to man’s logic is a huge over step. God’s logic so far exceeds ours that there is no comparison. We can on base on our logic and things we believe are true but God’s logic is based on fact. No I don’t think you do understand the anti-intellectual aspect of some in the church. You may have heard it expressed and formed your opinion about it but I don’t think you understand at all. Man imagination is tainted with sin, as is his thinking and his logic. Many times that tainted intellect if you will devises thoughts that sound good to man but are path to death. Proverbs 16:25 (NKJV) 25 There is a way that seems right to a man, But its end is the way of death. In another post I believe you said we must use logic to understand Genesis 1-3. I pray that is not how you read scripture. I pray you read scripture not with your minds eye but with Holy Spirit opening your spirit eye. Faith can not be found in logic or intellect faith must come into the spirit birthed by the Holy Spirit. No offense but it sounds like your passion is more for your intellect than for closer relationship with Jesus. I never expect to instruct a Reformed person anymore than I would expect to instruct any from another denomination. What I try to do it get that person to allow the Holy Spirit to instruct them to the truth that only the Holy Spirit can impart. Man can not change the heart of another man only God can do that. To much is quoted these days by men that deny the full ministry of the Holy Spirit, and rather than seeing this failing within themselves they beat their chest and talk of the their mastery of logic and superb intellect. Or they allow others. Yet men that are in the trenches, touching and changing lives mostly do so in total anonymity, certain having never been quoted. The most powerful churches/preachers in the world today are the ones no one ever mentions. I am not suggesting we put on minds in neutral, to reject education, to seek ignorance. What I’m saying is many times our minds, our intellect, our logic stands in the way of us realizing the truth the Holy Spirit is trying to reveal to us. I once had a student come to me and explain that after 4 years of Bible College, 2 year of graduate work and a year in Seminary that he viewed the Bible as a technical manual. He had been so trained to think, to reason, to express, to rationalize that he lost all connection to the living word as living word. It was dead as any other text book he carried. He might have treasured the poise or thoughts but it was just another book to him. |
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4 | Church Fathers? Part V | Mark 7:9 | EdB | 243680 | ||
Excuse me it was in this thread you said we must use logic to understand Genesis 1-3 Let me say this I understand Genesis not by my logic but by the illumination of the Holy Spirit and I want it no other way. |
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