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1 | Christians Demon Plagued? | Mark 16:17 | Tamara Brewington | 205647 | ||
Dear Forum members, I have a friend from school who is a minister in a Pentecostal church, I am Baptist always have been always will be. I went to a function at his church tonight to fellow ship with him and his lovely wife. I heard a number of things I have heard before that I wonder if some of you know more about than I do... Here is the deal; the visiting preacher was talking about a situation where a member of his church who had confessed the Lord Jesus and asked for forgiveness of sins was plagued by demons. Here is what she was doing that was the outward sign, she stripped naked to the nothingness of nakedness several times during services while he was preaching very quickly before the ushers could stop her. This man is an arch-bishop of a Pentecostal church, he had interviewed this woman to make sure she was saved as best he could and had baptized her immediately after her profession of faith and repentance the same day she confessed the Lord Jesus. The deacons in his church were highly upset saying how very fast she took all those clothes off, remarking that she never had any undergarments to hinder her haste and saying as how she seemed to be a demon plagued Christian and some said a demon possesed Christian. I am not so stupid or so new as to think that a Christian could actually have the spirit of the devil and the Holy Ghost at the same time. He never said she was possesed, he said she was demon plagued and that the demon had to be cast out of her in the name of Jesus before her sanity returned to her. We know from the Bible that folks who are saved can actually do things by the spirit of Satan, like Peter did and still be saved, which means the spirit of Satan is operating through them, working through them, even though they are sealed by the Holy Ghost. What do you all think of this? Do you see anything here according to what I have said that you could illuminate by the scriptures on? God's Blessings Tam |
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2 | Christians Demon Plagued? | Mark 16:17 | skccab | 205651 | ||
Tamara, Are you talking about Peter's denial? And/or about when he told Messiah that He would not die (that scene, I don't remember too well)? If either of those, then remember that Peter was NOT sealed with the Holy Spirit, that didn't happen till after the resurrection, and his salvation was not effected till the death and resurrection of Messiah, either. I don't have any scriptures, just a little common sense - there is a BIG difference between just blurting out something that Satan may put in your mind and doing an action (especially one that you would normally NOT do) that he has put in your mind. From your post, you said "He never said she was possesed, he said she was demon plagued and that the demon had to be cast out of her in the name of Jesus before her sanity returned to her." Your friend totally contradicted himself didn't he? You can't cast something out that is not inside of you, can you? Maybe this lady just needs to be checked out medically, Late on-set Turetz? maybe? Another 2cents worth, wowee if I keep on you're gonna be a wealthy lady Tam!! Cheri |
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3 | Christians Demon Plagued? | Mark 16:17 | Tamara Brewington | 205657 | ||
Dear Cheri, My friend did not preach a visiting Arch-Bishop did... I am not talking about Peter's denial I am talking about Mathe 16:23 where Peter had said to Jesus God, forbid it Lord! This shall never happend to You? About Jesus saying He was going to be crucifed. How do you say Peter was not sealed with the Holy Spirit? Are you saying that the disciples, the OT saints somehow got saved without the actions and work inside them of the Holy Spirit? What about the teaching that the blood of Christ and the works of the Holy Spirit towards salvation were working backwards in time from the of the cross and that Pentecost was specifically as Jesus said it was, "you will recieve power when the Holy Spirit has come upon you; and you shall be My witnesses, etc."? What about Ephesians 1:13? In Him, you also, after listening to the message of truth, the gospel of your salvation - having also believed, you were sealed in Him with the Holy Spirit of promise. How then is it that those who were saved before Jesus died whether disciples or OT saints did not receive the Holy Spirit? If you do not have the Holy Spirit you aren't saved! Here, II Peter 1:21 for no prophecy was ever made by an act of human will, but men moved by the Holy Spirit spoke from God. Are you going to say that these men were not operating by the power of the Holy Spirit, or that they weren't saved? Jesus does not say in Acts that He was giving a seal of salavtion does He? He says the Holy Spirit will be coming with power so they could witness, there is a difference, the Holy Spirit was definitely working through them all when they were casting out demons and healing the sick... By what other power do you think they were doing it? Yeah okay Turetz, then why after they got they demon out of her was she suddenly healed? God's Day To You, Tamara |
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4 | Christians Demon Plagued? | Mark 16:17 | skccab | 205659 | ||
Hiya Tam, I don't dispute the Holy Spirit was indeed working in OT but Messiah said himself that if He didn't "go away the comforter would not come" so I don't see Peter or the ancient saints having the Holy Spirit ALL the time as we do. Salvation comes from the blood of the Sacrifice Lamb, the blood had not yet been spilled. Peter was saved in that he most likely partook of the sacrificial system. But the salvation provided by Messiah had yet to be fulfilled. The ancient saints were saved by trust in the Promise of what Messiah would do and we get saved by trust in what Messiah did do. Peter would be of the first group. Like I said it's a very easy thing to blurt out what satan may speak in your ear!! If you said that she got healed, I missed that part and pardon me. If you didn't, don't rail on me if it wasn't a medical problem after all. You asked. :-) Shalom Cheri |
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