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1 | Exactly what does Mark 15:42 mean | Mark 15:42 | biblicalman | 228200 | ||
hi searcher an important necessity for the argument put forward on the site you mention is that Bethany was more than a sabbath day's journey from the Temple. However in Luke 24.50 Jesus took His disciples to 'Bethany' from where He ascended, and in Acts 1.12 'they returned from the mount of olives which is a sabbath day's journey from Jerusalem'. Thus that Bethany was a sabbath days journey from Jerusalem. Thus the Bethany that Jesus spoke of was a sabbath days journey from Jerusalem. That indicates that Jesus could have gone from Bethany to Jerusalem on the sabbath day which invalidates a main part of the argument. A further factor to keep in mind is that a well known Rabbi said in 100 AD, "a day and a night make an 'onoh (24 hour day)" and a portion of an 'onoh is counted as an 'onoh. this confirms that from a Jewish point of view three days and three nights (three 'onohs) could be seen as a part of a day, a day, and a part of a day, which fits in with 'the third day'. The writer also dismisses the idea that the Jews in Jesus time ensured that two sabbaths never followed each other successively, although admitting that later on they did ensure it. but from what we know of the Rabbis they would certainly have found some way of preventing it happening in Jesus day if it was found to be such a problem later on. There is no proof that they did not. Furthermore on the high sabbath it was permissible to buy food for the feast. it is therefore equally likely that a body could be anointed on a high sabbath, especially if it was consecutive with a normal sabbath. thus if that were the case (and it is probable. they would not want to leave a body two days before anointing it) the women could have anointed the body earlier if Jesus died on a thursday. Thus many doubts must be placed on the reasoning of the article until that can definitely be excluded we mustg see the probability (as one of his witnesses said) that two sabbaths could not follow each other successively Best wishes |
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2 | Exactly what does Mark 15:42 mean | Mark 15:42 | Searcher56 | 228204 | ||
God's day to you, biblicalman, Mark 11:1 As they approached Jerusalem and came to Bethphage and Bethany at the Mount of Olives (cf Luke 19:28) ... and verse 11 says they returned to Bethany. So even if they start out from Bethany (John 12:1, 12), and it was a Sabbath's day journey to Jerusalem, how could they have returned? As they approached Jerusalem and came to Bethphage on the Mount of Olives (Matt 21:1) ... verse 17 says they went to Bethany. I believe that the Mount of Olives itself was a Sabbath's day journey (Acts 1:12), but the city of Bethany was futher (John 11:18). Searcher |
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3 | Exactly what does Mark 15:42 mean | Mark 15:42 | biblicalman | 228206 | ||
hi searcher you are assuming that Bethany is simply the name of a village (it was not a city). Do you really think, even if we did not have Acts, that Jesus would go to a village from which to ascend? He would surely go to the Mount of Olives as Acts 1 and Zechariah 14 say. But Luke says He went to Bethany. Thus that 'Bethany' was the part of the mount of olives of which Acts 1 speaks.And wWhere He went was said to be a sabbath's day journey from Jerusalem. Thus the Bethany mentioned in Luke 24 is the same place as that part of the Mount of Olives and was a sabbath days journey from Jerusalem. How could this be? Because the area around Bethany (which was on the east side of the Mount of Olives) was also called 'Bethany' in order to identify it. This must be so, otherwise Luke and Acts disagree, which would be ridiculous because he wrote them both. In fact Jesus and His disciples probably camped out on the mount of olives (as many pilgrims did)in the region known as Bethany. There would be no house in a village which could house all His disciples. once you have gone a sabbath days journey you are allowed to return :-)) And in fact there were legally acceptable ways of doubling a sabbath days journey. Best wishes |
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4 | Exactly what does Mark 15:42 mean | Mark 15:42 | Searcher56 | 228212 | ||
God's morning to you, biblicalman, The following map shows the reltionship of Bethany (2 miles from Jerusalem), Mount of Olives (a Sabbath's journey from Jerusalem), and Jerusalem http://bibleatlas.org/mount_of_olives.htm |
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5 | Exactly what does Mark 15:42 mean | Mark 15:42 | biblicalman | 228216 | ||
Lol Biblical maps are fine as far as they go but in many cases they are guesses. The village of Bethany on the far slopes of the mount of olives farthest from Jerusalem is 15 furlongs 'from Jerusalem', and if we have identified the correct village we know where it is. But has the correct village been identified? But Jesus ascended from 'over against Bethany', in a place which was stated to be a sabbath day's journey from Jerusalem. And it was probably the place where Jesus and His followers were encamped. It was in the district of Bethany around Bethany. Thus when He went 'from Bethany' it was from the camp. That means it was a sabbath days journey from Jerusalem. Thus Jesus could go to the Temple on the Sabbath. You must, however, recognise that geographical information has to be gleaned from the Bible and from Archaeology. And the danger is that many identifications were made by later church teachers without accurate information to go on. There is no sign which says 'this place was called Bethany in 1st century AD'. Our guesses may therefore be incorrect. Far more reliable is the Biblical information which says that Bethany was 15 furlongs 'from Jerusalem'), but we must then ask, from what point in Jerusalem? It was certainly not 15 furlongs from the furthest outskirts of Jerusalem. Indeed what would be described as the furthest outskirts of Jerusalem? I used to travel a road to work which said 4 miles to Leeds. But I lived in Leeds!! Thus I lived four miles from where I lived lol. Thus to measure the distance from the Temple to the district of Bethany on the basis of Biblical information we have to ask what are the criteria. And the truth is that we do not know. We only know that it was a sabbath days journey from the camp of Jesus on the mount of olives in the district of Bethany. I would rather accept Luke's testimony than any map. Did you know that in the first edition of the New Bible Dictionary they included maps. You won't find maps in the current edition. Why not? Because they were treated with derision by many scholars and withdrawn. Our knowledge of the geography of Jerusalem in 1st century AD is patchy, because we only get information when a Gospel writer decides to give it. We know a few facts and that is all. For example we have no idea where Bethphage was. The makers of maps do their best to guess right. But I would not stake my life (or my beliefs) on them. |
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6 | Exactly what does Mark 15:42 mean | Mark 15:42 | Searcher56 | 228235 | ||
Scripture ... Mark 11:1-2 "As they approached Jerusalem, at Bethphage and Bethany, near the Mount of Olives, He sent two of His disciples, and said to them, 'Go into the village opposite you, and immediately as you enter it, you will find a colt tied there, on which no one yet has ever sat; untie it and bring it here'"" ... God's day to you, biblicalman, Even if the spent the night at the Mount of Olives (I think they started before that point since I read they "approached" it) the two disciples vilolated since they had to go to "the village opposite you" and back. Jesus would not have asked them to violate the Sabbath. Maps are great - just because New Bible Dictionary doesn't use them, others do. This is my last time refuting you, Searcher |
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7 | Exactly what does Mark 15:42 mean | Mark 15:42 | biblicalman | 228246 | ||
hi searcher Bethphage was counted as in Jerusalem therefore any walking around in Bethphage would not affect the Sabbath Days journey. By the time of Jesus the sabbath days journey only began when you left your town or city. it was based on the fact that when Israel were in the camp they were not restricted as long as the walk was for spiritual reasons. The camp counted as home. the sabbath days journey only began when you left the camp thus walking around in Jerusalem did not count as part of the sabbath days journey. I think you will find that all the visitors to the Passover camped around the city were counted as living in the city. but i have never said anything about Palm Sunday so i am not sure what you mean all i have shown is that the Scripture makes clear that Jesus and His disciples started each day from a point which was within a sabbath days journey of Jerusalem according to Luke 24; Acts 1. Lol you can enjoy maps as you wish. But do not teach that they are necessarily accurate. MUch on them is guesswork with little to go by. Best wishes |
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