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1 | How important is God's Name? | Matt 6:9 | Ray | 143189 | ||
Hi Doc, HisEmpress has written in the question here about "His Precious Name". You have said, "Now, I'm not suggesting that there is anything mystical in a name." My thought would be "Are we placing applying Deity to a passage that we should not be?" What is the verse that we should consider for having "power in His Precious Name?" The verse that comes to my mind for "Name" is 3 John 1:7, NASB, "For they went out for the same of the Name, accepting nothing from the Gentiles." Or 3 John 1:7, NKJ, "because they went forth for His name's sake, taking nothing from the Gentiles." I would surmise from what you have said that you would go with the NKJ in this case. What is the Name that 3 John is putting forth? From the heart, Ray |
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2 | How important is God's Name? | Matt 6:9 | DocTrinsograce | 143191 | ||
The Greek is "autos onoma," and I don't see a clear antecedent to "autos." So the phrase seems to be idiomatic, lending credence to the translation "His Name." Some of the literal versions render it this way as well. I'm not a Greek scholar, though. One of the others guys might give you a more authoratitive answer. In Him, Doc |
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3 | How important is God's Name? | Matt 6:9 | Ray | 143206 | ||
Hi Doc, How is it that you do not see the "worthy of God" in 3 John 1:6 as a clear antecedent to "autos"? From the heart, Ray |
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4 | How important is God's Name? | Matt 6:9 | DocTrinsograce | 143209 | ||
I guess I didn't see it at all. In the KJV the phrase "axios theos" in 3 John 1:6 is translated as "godly." As an adverb, I didn't think to look any closer. I told you I wasn't a Greek scholar! :-) In him, Doc |
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5 | How important is God's Name? | Matt 6:9 | Morant61 | 143217 | ||
Greetings Doc! The word 'axios' is an adverb! So, even if 'autos' were in the text (which it is not), 'axios' could not be it's antecedent. So, in this case, 'worthy of God' describes how they should 'be sent'. Good pick up my friend! Your Brother in Christ, Tim Moran |
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6 | How important is God's Name? | Matt 6:9 | DocTrinsograce | 143227 | ||
Dear Brother Tim, 3 John 1:7 with Strongs numbers reads, "Because 1063 that for his name's sake 5228, 846, 3686 they went forth, 1831 taking 2983 nothing 3367 of575 the 3588 Gentiles. 1484" 846 is "autos." Which, if I read correclty, is a pronoun. The word "axios" appears in the previous verse. Are my reference tools subject to the same malady as my reason? In Him, Doc |
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7 | How important is God's Name? | Matt 6:9 | Morant61 | 143258 | ||
Greetings Doc! Apparently! ;-) I do read Greek and I checked four different versions, 'autos' was not in any of them in v. 7. One of the versions was a majority text. Two of the versions were Textus Receptus, and the last one was Nestle Aland's 26th edition. As I mentioned to Ray, I did find one version of the TR that did include it on another program. None of my sources even list it as a possible variant reading, so I'm guessing that the textual support must be very slim. p.s. - Why is it that even when I was agreeing with the overall point of your post that I get sarcasm in response? :-( Your Brother in Christ, Tim Moran |
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8 | How important is God's Name? | Matt 6:9 | DocTrinsograce | 143276 | ||
Hi, brother Tim... So you don't see the any pronoun there at all? How does the Greek indicate possession for "name" in your resources? At www.crosswalk.com the KJV with Strong numbers shows "autos" for that verse. Searching for Strong's 846 shows 3 John 1:7. I can find it in an interlineary based on the Scrivener 1894 Textus Receptus. I don't read Greek, and I have to admit that I'm not much of a student of textual criticism. is there a way to determine the reason for inclusion of this word in the Scrivener text and not in the other sources you mention? In Him, Doc PS Sarcasm is intended to wound -- that is presuming on my intentions, brother. Cordiality is the summum bonum of contemporary society. On the other hand, irony and hyperbole are valuable and venerable mechanisms for effective communication. (Pro 26:16, Is 56:10, Mat 23:24, etc. etc. etc.) But, hey... I think I made my point. I promise to leave off! :-) |
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9 | How important is God's Name? | Matt 6:9 | Morant61 | 143280 | ||
Greetings Doc! I have noticed at Crosswalk, and some programs as well, that the definite article sometimes shows us as the pronoun 'autos'. It isn't, but there appears to be some glitch. In this case though, I do have some manuscripts that include 'autos' in v. 7. My copy of Scrivener's in from 1881. I have been having a real problem tracking down any textual evidence for it. As I said, it isn't even listed as a possible variant in any of my sources. Usually, a difference like this would result from the majority of texts including 'autos' while some of the older ones did not. But, my majority text doesn't include it either. So, and this is just a guess on my part, I think that Scrivener may have added it to his text sometime after 1881, probably on the basis on very little textual evidence (if any). I'll see if I can dig up any more definitive answer! :-) Your Brother in Christ, Tim Moran |
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10 | How important is God's Name? | Matt 6:9 | DocTrinsograce | 143283 | ||
Thank you, brother Tim... Is Scrivener an inferior source? Or is asking that question opening a can of worms? If it helps in, the word "autos" wsa in bold in the interlineary. However, I can't seem to find what that may mean. Maybe it simply means, "Hey, I'm adding this on the basis of very little textual evidence." :-) In Him, Doc |
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11 | How important is God's Name? | Matt 6:9 | Morant61 | 143288 | ||
Greetings Doc! I would only say that it was 'inferior' in the sense that He did not have very many manuscripts with which to work in that day! I know that the text that KJV was based upon was derived from only about 7 or 8 manuscripts. Today, we have literally thousands of manuscripts from which to work. I don't know what the 'bold' in your interlinear means! :) Your Brother in Christ, Tim Moran |
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