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1 | Ezekiel ... Your 9 (10) points refuted? | Matt 28:19 | Searcher56 | 9136 | ||
Ezekiel ... Why can't you see that all but two of your points have been refuted? The numerics are your entries, the single dashes are Nolan's and mine are the double dashes. I'll have to do this in two parts. 1. Its grammar designates one name (singular) - We all agree on this 2. Its context shows that Jesus described His power and therefore told the disciples to baptize in His name. (vs. 18) - This verse taken in context shows the authority of Jesus and how He delegates this authority to the disciples so that they can baptize in His Name. -- Exousia is the word in the Greek. It is translated authority 65 times in the NAS, authorities 7 times, power 11 times and powers once of the 102 it appears in the NT. It is the noun feminine of exesti (lawful). I think it can be viewed as power or authority. -- They were to baptize in the name of the Father and the Son and the Holy Spirit … not just His name. 3. Mark's and Luke's descriptions of the same instructions of Christ show that Jesus was the only name mentioned. - Mark's description does not assign any reference to "in the name of Jesus"; it only mentions baptism (Mark 16:15-16). Luke 24:47 simply says "His Name" which could refer to the authority given by the Trinity as a whole, not only Jesus. -- Mark 1:8 says He would baptize with the Holy Ghost. -- Luke 24:47 is about preaching - I do not see baptism 4. The Early Church, including Matthew, carried out Christ's instructions by baptizing in the name of Jesus (Acts 2:38; 8:16; 10:48; 19:5; 22:16; 1 Corinthians 1:13). - True for "The Early Church"; Ezekiel, show us your Scripture reference for "including Matthew". -- Acts 22:16 says to call on His name - either the God of our fathers or the Righteous One. Paul only says no one was baptized in his name (1Co 1:13ff). 5. The Name of the Father is Jesus; the Father is revealed through the name Jesus (John 5:43). - No, this verse does not say that the Name of the Father is "Jesus". The Father is not revealed through the name 'Jesus', and this is a misinterpretation on your part, Ezekiel. John 5:43 states that Christ has come as THE representative of the Father. Therefore, the Father is revealed through Him, not through the name 'Jesus'. This is the beginning of your "Oneness" heresy. -- What does Isa. 9:6 say? Is Everlasting Father referring to Christ? ... to be continued |
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2 | Ezekiel ... Your 9 (10) points refuted? | Matt 28:19 | webpastor | 9210 | ||
Well God's Word is certainly true. Paul said that in the last days men would be "Ever learning, and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth." I would say that is certainly true for you two. Ezekiel is absolutely correct! Jesus said in Matthew 28:19 "Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost" The word "name" here is singular, one name. God is not a name, Son is not a name, Holy Ghost is not a name. The name is Jesus! The disciples who were with him knew exactly what that name was. For indeed they had two things going for them that you two fellas don't have. 1. In Luke 24:45 He opened their understanding, that they might understand the scriptures. 2. In Acts 2:4 He filled them with the Holy Ghost with the evidence of speaking in other tongues. What name did they use? Acts 2:38 says it was Jesus. There are many other scriptures that prove out the same thing all through the book of Acts. Want some more truth? Go to a real Christian web site at www.apostolic.net There is only one God! Not three. There is no Trinity in the Bible. It's Roman Catholic pagan heresy. God said that the greatest of all commandments is "Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God is one LORD" Isaiah chapter 45 proclaims over and over "there is no God else beside me; a just God and a Saviour; there is none beside me." You will refute this also, I know. |
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3 | Ezekiel ... Your 9 (10) points refuted? | Matt 28:19 | Searcher56 | 9236 | ||
"webpastor" ... Gen 1:1 proves there is a Trinity. Do you know the Hebrew word for God used is Elohim? Do you know that means more than two? Then in verse 26, He says let Us make man in Our own image. Now even those who just understand English see that means more than one. There are are verses that use these words as well. Yes, there are verses that show there is one God - it is because they are Three in One. Please explain Gen. 1:1 and Gen. 1:26 to show there is no Trinity. |
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4 | Ezekiel ... Your 9 (10) points refuted? | Matt 28:19 | webpastor | 9239 | ||
If you were to take just that acripture alone as doctrine then there could be 17 Gods. How did you get three from that? We cannot take one scripture and make doctrine of it. We must take the whole council of God. God's Word is written precept upone precept, precept upon precept, line upon line, here a little, there a little. (Isaiah 28:9-13) Read John 1:1, it says: In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. Now read John 1:14, it says: And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth. You see God manifested Himself in flesh and He called that flesh His Son. He did not send someone else to die for our sins. It's a much greater truth that that. . . He came HIMSELF! Not enough? 1 Timothy 3:16 says that "And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory." Indeed great is the mystery, because even after reading this, you and most of the "Christian" world still will not understand. I know this truth through no ability of my own. It is a revelation of God. Most are blinded to truth because their heart is wicked and there is no truth or desire for truth in them. We live in the last days where evil has become good and good, evil. The so called "orthodox" Christian masses follow the false doctrine of the Trinity that evolved from Babylon. Jesus said: "...wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat. Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it. Most of so-called Christianity is lost. They do not know who God is. God is God and there is only one. To say that three of his manifestations somehow shows that God is Triune is to limit God. Was not God also manefested as a burning bush? Was He also not manefested and a pillar of a cloud by day and a pillar of fire by night? Here's a riddle for you, see if you can figure it out: John 4:24 says that "God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth." We know that by His mere title that the Holy Ghost or Holy Spirit is also a Spirit. Yet Acts 20:28 says "Take heed therefore unto yourselves, and to all the flock, over the which the Holy Ghost hath made you overseers, to feed the church of God, which he hath purchased with his own blood." If God is a Spirit where did a Spirit get blood? And if God were Triune and not one His Word proclaims over and over, would it not say "purchased with THEIR blood"? You will study your whole life yet you will never understand God's Word of yourself. Seek God first, pray for understanding. |
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5 | Ezekiel ... Your 9 (10) points refuted? | Matt 28:19 | Searcher56 | 9241 | ||
I did not say that Gen 1:1 and 26 alone proves the Trinity. I was asking you how you get Oneness when these passages prove otherwise. I have already posted how I, and others see the Trinity throughout Scripture. Again I ask you - prove Oneness in these passages, then we can move on to others. John 1 shows me part of the Trinity, as does 1 Timothy 3:16. There are some specific actions that the Father does, that the Son does and the Holy Spirit does. But, I say again the are equal and they do have some of the same attributes. Your riddle is easy to answer. It is not the Spirit's blood, but the Lord's. Many manuscripts say "the church of the Lord" instead of "the church of God." Plus, it is by Christ's blood that we are purchased. Again, this is seen in many passages. That is unique to Him. I do seek and search the Word and pray for understanding. |
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