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1 | Questions for a Pretribulationist | Matt 24:22 | kalos | 159401 | ||
'Questions for a Pretribulationist 'By Robert Van Kampen and Rev. Roger Best 'INTRODUCTION '...The prewrath position on the timing of the rapture of the Church is often questioned, especially by pretribulationists. Many find it difficult to give up their traditions, what they have been taught, or perhaps what they have taught. The prewrath position is simply an enhancement of the historical position held by the early church fathers. The pretribulation position, on the other hand, is a relatively new position, first gaining popularity in the late nineteenth century. Those who attack the prewrath position, more times than not, have never read The Sign because either they never considered the position or they fear the consequences if they adopted the position, consequences they were unwilling to endure. For these reasons, they aggressively try to shoot the position down without really understanding it and how it is arrived at via the teaching of Christ and Paul. 'Because of several books and articles that have been written against the prewrath position by Christians which dogmatically maintain that they take Scripture for what it says, we have compiled a list of a few of the problems with pretribulationism. These must be answered both logically and biblically if one is to have real biblical integrity concerning the view he is espousing. Perhaps this list of issues will be helpful to those who are asking us, "How do we get our pretrib pastor to honestly consider the problems associated with what he is teaching?" After all, it is the lives of the flock they are told to shepherd and protect that are directly at risk if their position is wrong. If pretribulationism is true, these problems must be answered honestly from Scripture with logical, unforced answers that do not contradict other passages. Biblical truth does not spawn confusion. If, however, pretribulationism cannot be clearly argued and substantiated from Scripture, pastors must have the right to teach their conscience on this matter without the fear of reprisal from their fellowship leaders. Lives of God's elect are at stake (Mt. 24:21-22), not some remote doctrine that will have no severe consequences if one is wrong. Without going into any great depth, here are a few questions that concern pretribulationism...' ____________________ To read more, including questions that concern pretribulationism, go to: www.solagroup.org/articles/ endtimes/et_0006.html |
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2 | Questions for a Pretribulationist | Matt 24:22 | mark d seyler | 159407 | ||
Hi Kalos, I will be posting answers to these questions, since you asked. Of the "questions" in this article, the majority are an attack on the proponents of pre-trib rapture, without much substantiation or scriptural support. An example is: (quoting from the referenced article) "Third, pretribulationism views substantial sections of New Testament Scripture as having no application to the Church (in fact, many pretribulationists find it necessary to eliminate the entire Book of Matthew). For this reason, the applicability of the Beatitudes to the Church is denied, as well at the Great Commission in order to protect pretribulationism from the plain and obvious teachings concerning the timing of Christ's return as given in the Olivet Discourse!" Additionally, "Pretribulationism sees much, if not all, of the Book of Matthew and most of the Book of Revelation as not written for the Church, but rather for "unsaved" Israel that will come to know Christ during the 70th Week. How can the Church not be in mind in these key passages in light of the given audiences to whom these books are written (Rev. 1:1 - His bondservants, and 22:16 - the churches, and Mt. 28:20 - the new disciples from all nations)? In reality, pretribulationism accomplishes for the conservative Christian what he dare not do with culture. Liberalism throws out Scripture because it says it is cultural. Pretribulationism throws Scripture into what Greek scholar, Samuel Tregelles, called "The Jewish wastebasket" because it says it is not applicable to the Church." Personally, I cannot think of any, not a one, pre-trib believer who would even dream of "throwing out the book of Matthew"! Or any other scripture, for that matter! The application of scripture is to all of us, whether or not the events spoken of happen to me, or to you, or to Jonah. Neither of us has been swollowed by a fish, and it doesn't seem likely to been happening, but we don't simply disregard the book of Jonah for that reason. Obviously, the sermon on the mount, and all the rest of Jesus' teachings are "useful for doctrine, correction, etc." Not to mention, immediately after the rapture, there will be 144,000 Jews who will be saved, as the focus moves from the church (just removed) to Israel (blinders coming off). The Bible is written for them also. The fact - here's a fact, folks - is that both pre-trib and "pre-wrath" teach that there comes a time when the church is removed from the earth, and that there are events described in the Bible that happen after that time, and before the church returns to the earth. The difference is simply when that happens, and how much time passes between. I would imagine that "pre-wrath" (actually, pre-trib rapture is "pre-wrath", since that more then anything defines the timing of the rapture) proponents would not describe themselves as "throwing out scripture". Is this article a scholarly argument, or a personal insult? Love in Christ, Mark |
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