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1 | Violent men take it by force | Matt 11:12 | jbw | 119561 | ||
Would someone please shade light on this passage of scriptures for me please?????????? Matt 11 vs 12 And from the days of John the Baptist until the present time, the kingdom of heaven has endured violent assault, and violent men seize it by force [as a precious prize--a share in the heavenly kingdom is sought with most ardent zeal and intense exertion]. |
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2 | Violent men take it by force | Matt 11:12 | MJH | 140400 | ||
The key to understanding this verse turns out to be an old rabbinic interpretation (midrash) of Micah 2:12-13 which reads: 12 I will gather all of you, Jacob; I will collect the remnant of Israel. I will put them all together like sheep in a fold, like a flock inside its pen. It will be noisy and crowded with people. 13 The breach-maker (poretz) goes through before them Then they break out. Passing through the gate, they leave by it. Their king passes through before them, their Lord at their head. Rich imagery! A picture of a shepherd penning up his sheep at night. He quickly builds a fold by throwing up a makeshift rock fence against the side of a hill. The next morning, to let the sheep out, he makes a hole or a breach in the fence. The sheep being penned up all night can hardly wait to “break” out. The ancient rabbinic interpretation said the “breach-maker” was Elijah, and “their king” was the Messiah. “The Kingdom of Heaven,” Jesus says, “is ‘breaking forth’ [not ‘suffering violence’], and every person in it is ‘breaking out’ in it.” Two things are happening. The Kingdom is bursting forth into the world, and individuals within the Kingdom are finding freedom and liberty. In Micah it is the Lord and his sheep that are breaking out. Jesus alters that figure slightly so that it is the Kingdom and its sheep that are breaking out. Though Jesus does not refer directly to his own role as the shepherd leading the sheep out, no listener could possibly misunderstand Jesus’ stunning assertion – I am the Lord. Elijah had come and opened the way, and the Lord himself was leading the noisy multitude out to freedom. Adapted from “Understanding the Difficult Words of Jesus” Bivin, Blizzard MJH |
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3 | Violent men take it by force | Matt 11:12 | Ray | 140410 | ||
Hi MJH, Micah 2:11, "If a man walking after wind and falsehood Had told lies and said, 'I will speak out to you concerning wine and liquor,' *he would be spokesman to this people. 12 "I will surely assemble all of you, Jacob, I will surely gather the remnant of Israel, (I) will put them together like sheep in the fold; Like a flock in the midst of its pasture, They will be noisy with men. 13 The breaker goes up before them; They break out, pass through the gate, and go out by it. So their king goes on before them, And the Lord at their head." Matthew 11:6, "And blessed is he who keeps from stumbling over Me/" 7 And as these were going away, Jesus began to speak to the multitudes about John, "What did you go out into the wilderness to look at? A reed shaken by the wind? 8 But what did you go out to see? A *Man dressed in soft clothing? Behold, those who wear soft clothing are in king's palaces. 9 But why did you go out? To see a (Prophet?) Yes, I say to you, and **One who is more than a Prophet. 10 This is the ***One about whom it is written, 'Behold, I send My/ messenger before Your face, Who will prepare Your way before (You).' 11 "Truly, I say to you, among those born of women there has not arisen anyone greater than John the Baptist; yet he who is least in the kingdom of heaven is greater than he. 12 And from the days of John the Baptist until now the kingdom of heaven suffers violence, and violent men take it by force." Malachi 3:1, "Behold, I am going to send My messenger, and he will clear the way before Me. And the Lord,/ whom you seek, will suddenly come to His temple; and the *Messenger of the covenant, in whom you delight, behold, (He) is coming," says the Lord of hosts." The stars are changes in capitalization that I would make and the parentheses are mine for comparison. John 6:14, "When therefore the people saw the sign which He had performed, they said, "This *Man is of a truth the (Prophet) who is to come into the world." 15 Jesus therefore perceiving that they were intending to come and take Him by force to make Him king, [He] withdrew again to the mountain by Himself alone." John 10:6, "This figure of speech Jesus spoke to them, but they did not understand what those things were which He/ had been saying to them. 7 Jesus therefore said to them again, "Truly, truly, I say to you, (I) am the door of the sheep. 8 All who came before Me are theives and robbers, but the sheep did not hear them. 9 I am the door; if anyone enters through Me, he shall be saved, and shall go in and out, and find pasture." I see these as good comparison verses for this subject. Could I get a response to this or to #67533? From the heart, Ray |
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