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1 | Homosexuality, sin or not? | Lev 20:13 | Fox | 150439 | ||
As for Sodom and Gomorrah, personally, I don't see how anyone can think the city was destroyed because of homosexuality. I've heard some argue that “know” used here does not means “to have sex with”, but honestly it doesn't matter. Even if the men of the city wanted to have sex with the men (angels) that were in Lot's house, it is clear that it would be a forced sex. That is to say, rape. Rape is sin regardless of whether it is homosexual or heterosexual. So therefore I don't believe that whether homosexuality is sin or not can be shown or even supported by the story of Sodom and Gomorrah. (Also note that the bible mentions the sins of Sodom and Gomorrah elsewhere, but never specifically mentions homosexuality among them.) Just because Jesus didn't mention it does not mean that it is not sin, however, it also doesn't mean it is (obviously). As for Leviticus, one thing that bothers me about that is that it makes no mention of women with women. Yet it does specifically mention women with animals. This makes me think there must be something else to it. (there are other things about the context that lead me to think this as well) I could go on, but to keep this relatively short, I have found nothing in the Bible that shows it to be “clearly against” homosexuality. In fact, I'm not convinced that the Bible is against homosexuality at all. |
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2 | Homosexuality, sin or not? | Lev 20:13 | Wild Olive Shoot | 150446 | ||
I would say that Jesus very much did touch on this subject. As a matter of fact: Matthew 19:4-6 4"Haven't you read," he replied, "that at the beginning the Creator 'made them male and female,' 5and said, 'For this reason a man will leave his father and mother and be united to his wife, and the two will become one flesh' ? 6So they are no longer two, but one. Therefore what God has joined together, let man not separate." Jesus in His own words specified male and female. He said that a man would be united with his wife as one. Jesus made reference here to Genesis 1:27 and 2:24. He specified male and female, not partners or man and man. WOS |
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3 | Homosexuality, sin or not? | Lev 20:13 | Fox | 150453 | ||
True he did say that. But the issue he was addressing was divorce, not homosexuality. Homosexuals are a minority, and I'd think he'd likely be talking about the majority. In fact, just shortly afterwards he mentions how this does not apply to everyone. Matt 19:11 But He said to them, "Not all men can accept this statement, but only those to whom it has been given.” |
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4 | Homosexuality, sin or not? | Lev 20:13 | Wild Olive Shoot | 150460 | ||
Sorry Fox, but you are wrong. If you can't see that from what I posted and what Hank posted, all I can do is pray for you, that you'll see the right way. I can't debate an issue that far more knowledgeable people than I have already proven using God’s own words. WOS |
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5 | Homosexuality, sin or not? | Lev 20:13 | Fox | 150465 | ||
Can you point me to that then? If the Bible really is against homosexuality, then I want to know. | ||||||
6 | Homosexuality, sin or not? | Lev 20:13 | JCrichton | 150507 | ||
Hi, Fox! ...yeah, me again... here's what Paul tells us about how God sees sin with the special notation on homosexuality (which includes both homosexual, male, and lesbian, females): God's Wrath Against Mankind 18The wrath of God is being revealed from heaven against all the godlessness and wickedness of men who suppress the truth by their wickedness, 19since what may be known about God is plain to them, because God has made it plain to them. 20For since the creation of the world God's invisible qualities—his eternal power and divine nature—have been clearly seen, being understood from what has been made, so that men are without excuse. 21For although they knew God, they neither glorified him as God nor gave thanks to him, but their thinking became futile and their foolish hearts were darkened. 22Although they claimed to be wise, they became fools 23and exchanged the glory of the immortal God for images made to look like mortal man and birds and animals and reptiles. 24Therefore God gave them over in the sinful desires of their hearts to sexual impurity for the degrading of their bodies with one another. 25They exchanged the truth of God for a lie, and worshiped and served created things rather than the Creator—who is forever praised. Amen. 26Because of this, God gave them over to shameful lusts. Even their women exchanged natural relations for unnatural ones. 27In the same way the men also abandoned natural relations with women and were inflamed with lust for one another. Men committed indecent acts with other men, and received in themselves the due penalty for their perversion. 28Furthermore, since they did not think it worthwhile to retain the knowledge of God, he gave them over to a depraved mind, to do what ought not to be done. 29They have become filled with every kind of wickedness, evil, greed and depravity. They are full of envy, murder, strife, deceit and malice. They are gossips, 30slanderers, God-haters, insolent, arrogant and boastful; they invent ways of doing evil; they disobey their parents; 31they are senseless, faithless, heartless, ruthless. 32Although they know God's righteous decree that those who do such things deserve death, they not only continue to do these very things but also approve of those who practice them. (Romans 1:18-32) Did you see it?, verses 26 and 27: homosexuality is shameful, unnatural, and indecent perversion! There are no two ways about it (couldn't help the pun), homosexuality is a transgression against God and all transgressions lead to death (spiritual, though sometimes physical and moral too)... (Romans 6:23) God Bless! Angel |
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7 | Homosexuality, sin or not? | Lev 20:13 | Fox | 150521 | ||
No offense, but I've read this already. Many times in fact. I will admit, this is what could be the strongest evidence against homosexuality in the bible. But yet... as I have said, this seems to be describing a “fall from grace” or something. They knew God, but then turned from him. But at least in some cases of homosexuality that isn't true. This does not explain Christians that struggle with homosexuality, since they obviously have not turned from God (would God just abandon his children like that?). In fact, from what I've found it seems that most Christians that struggle with homosexuality long to get rid of it and be closer to God. Often praying continually to be released from what they see as a prison (due to beliefs that it is sin). This seems to contradict Romans 1:28 “Furthermore, since they did not think it worthwhile to retain the knowledge of God...” So if I take Romans 1 to mean homosexuality is wrong, then is does not account for these people. On the other hand, if I take it to be talking of homosexual idolatry (which I have heard several accounts that such things were fairly common at the time) then it -does- fit the model that they'd have to turn from God first. (since they'd be putting some other god before Him). And it does speak of things that suggest idolatry in that passage. So, I'm not saying that this passage (Romans 1) is for sure not talking about pure homosexuality. Only that I see other equally plausible possibilities. Anyways, when I said “Can you point me to that then?” I was meaning that I want to know the reason. Why? If homosexuality is sin, what about it is so harmful? A problem I see with that here though, is that as far as I know, the Bible does not say. And the posts on this forum are suppose to remain Biblical. (I've also tried to find non-biblical proof of why it's wrong and have not found that either. One problem being that it's hard to trust the “evidence” from either side of the issue.) |
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8 | Homosexuality, sin or not? | Lev 20:13 | JCrichton | 150625 | ||
Hi, Fox! Again, I find that you are seeking to accommodate Scripture to your personal wants and desire... from your logic it could be said that domestic violence is a prudent Christian behavior since Scripture has nothing explicit against it... it could also be claimed that craking a few vials of crack-cocaine and inviting friend, families and acquaintances to partake of the banquet also falls within good Christian conduct... What don't you understand from these passages?: 24Therefore God gave them over in the sinful desires of their hearts to sexual impurity for the degrading of their bodies with one another. 25They exchanged the truth of God for a lie, and worshiped and served created things rather than the Creator—who is forever praised. Amen. 26Because of this, God gave them over to shameful lusts. Even their women exchanged natural relations for unnatural ones. 27In the same way the men also abandoned natural relations with women and were inflamed with lust for one another. Men committed indecent acts with other men, and received in themselves the due penalty for their perversion. (Romans 1:24-26) EVEN THEIR WOMEN EXCHANGED NATURAL RELATIONS FOR UNNATURAL ONES. IN THE SAME WAY THE MEN ALSO ABANDONED NATURAL RELATIONS WITH WOMEN AND WERE INFLAMED WITH LUST FOR ONE ANOTHER. MEN COMMITTED INDECENT ACTS WITH OTHER MEN, AND RECEIVED IN THEMSELVES THE DUE PENALTY FOR THEIR PERVERSION. Anyone and everyone has the right to choose to ignore God, to choose to reject God, to choose to disobey God! No one has the right to disobey God, reject God or ignore God and demand to be accepted as he/she is! God will not be moved to bring such a peson into His Realm... those who claim that they are Christian and reject the Word of God or choose to ignore it or choose to transgress it, they are calling upon themselves the WRATH of God not His LOVE. So please do not deceive yourself, God will not accept you (or any of us) on your own terms: choose life in order that you may live! God Bless! Angel |
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