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1 | Homosexuality, sin or not? | Lev 20:13 | Fox | 150464 | ||
Hank said: “The plain truth of the matter is that you are looking for, and perhaps think you have found, ways to explain away what Scripture clearly states “ This is completely untrue. I was brought up believing as I was told: that the Bible is against it. I accepted that it was wrong, however I never understood why. And it was only after deeply studying the issue, mostly through reading the bible trying to find out what it actually says about it, that I came to the conclusions I now have. I started with the conviction that it was wrong and I was looking for the proof and found none. Why is it that the position against it always comes to “The Bible clearly says...”. Like somehow I have to just take your word for it that it's clear. When the reason I don't think it is is because I could not find the proof I wanted to find. I could not find the reason why. If it were really as bad as it's made out to be, the reason should be clear. (kinda like with murder or thievery) Anyways, I don't want a heated debate about this. I was merely sharing my beliefs on the subject. Or is that not allowed? |
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2 | Homosexuality, sin or not? | Lev 20:13 | JCrichton | 150499 | ||
Hi, Fox! I understand that you like to share... True, in America (North America) we have the bill of rights, etc... in a Bible Study group we share Scripture and the values taught in Holy Scripture... however, sharing an opinion and making it a Biblical fact is not what we are about... So I like to share my response to Liberty Belle: I am not sure if you have come back to view the various replies that your post originated... some are clearly supportive of the people that erroneously detracted truth from the Holy Scripture and replaced it with their version of God's Word... Here is Genesis description of Sodom: 12 Abram lived in the land of Canaan, while Lot lived among the cities of the plain and pitched his tents near Sodom. 13 Now the men of Sodom were wicked and were sinning greatly against the LORD. (Genesis 13:12-13) There's no room for interpretations: Sodom, bad! Genesis 18:16-33 describes Abraham's intercesion on behalf of Sodom... it got to the point that Abraham asked God if He would desist from destroying Sodom if there were to be found in it at least 10 innocent/righteous people... the Lord said He would--Sodom was destroyed! "(sorry, I don't have the scripture)" There's no Biblical Scripture that anyone can use to promote or exonerate homosexuality... the least passage would be the one which I suspect was used, with their own twisted spin: 1 The two angels arrived at Sodom in the evening, and Lot was sitting in the gateway of the city. When he saw them, he got up to meet them and bowed down with his face to the ground. 2 "My lords," he said, "please turn aside to your servant's house. You can wash your feet and spend the night and then go on your way early in the morning." "No," they answered, "we will spend the night in the square." 3 But he insisted so strongly that they did go with him and entered his house. He prepared a meal for them, baking bread without yeast, and they ate. 4 Before they had gone to bed, all the men from every part of the city of Sodom—both young and old—surrounded the house. 5 They called to Lot, "Where are the men who came to you tonight? Bring them out to us so that we can have sex with them." 6 Lot went outside to meet them and shut the door behind him 7 and said, "No, my friends. Don't do this wicked thing. 8 Look, I have two daughters who have never slept with a man. Let me bring them out to you, and you can do what you like with them. But don't do anything to these men, for they have come under the protection of my roof." 9 "Get out of our way," they replied. And they said, "This fellow came here as an alien, and now he wants to play the judge! We'll treat you worse than them." They kept bringing pressure on Lot and moved forward to break down the door. 10 But the men inside reached out and pulled Lot back into the house and shut the door. (Genesis 19:1-10) When we read the Holy Scripture we can clearly state that: A) The angels were guests of Lot, no one else needed to extend their hospitability to them--so clearly there is no sin against inhospitability here! (Genesis 19:3) B) The men of Sodom were up to no good as they mobbed Lot's house (19:4) C) The men of Sodom were if not completely homosexuals they were at least bisexual--and they were out of control... it was not a proposition of or or two who found Lot's male guests desirable... it was the whole mob (19:5) D) Lot attempts to persuade them not to commit such wicked act (having sex with his male guests) (Genesis 19:7) E) Believing that he should protect his guests at all costs, Lot offers his virgin daughters so that they may do anything that they wanted (sexually) to them in exchange of leaving his male guests in peace (19:8) F) They would not have it! These men were not interested in having sex (forced or otherwise) with anyone other than Lot's male guests... they were so incensed that they rushed the door (to break it down) while threatening that they would do worst things to Lot (another male person) than what they had planned to do to his male guests (19:9) There's no way that homosexual intercourse was not what these men were lusting after... they even passed up the opportunity of having sex with two young ladies who had never had sex (virgins) before... they were ready to break down the door so that they could perform their homosexual acts on Lot's guests... An avocado may be a fruit, but no amount of twisting and coaching can make it so that we can bake an apple pie with it: homosexuality, BAD! God Bless! Angel |
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3 | Homosexuality, sin or not? | Lev 20:13 | Fox | 150512 | ||
I do see one little problem with this though. If homosexual sex is all these men were after, why did they not do so among themselves since there are obviously many of them? The only answer I see, is that it'd be due to lust, and this kind of uncontrolled lust would in itself make the act wrong. Thus making it impossible to tell if the homosexual nature of it had any bearing. Do you really think it'd have been ok if they did choose to rape Lot's daughters instead? I don't see Gen 19 as proof either for or against homosexuality. From what I can tell, it really doesn't say. |
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4 | Homosexuality, sin or not? | Lev 20:13 | JCrichton | 150621 | ||
Hi, Fox! Ever heard the expression practice makes perfect? Jesus said it better, though, He said that from the abundance of the heart man speaks (acts, believes, functions)... He also said... "those who have eyes, see; those who have ear listen" And He told His contemporaries religious elite that they were blind leading the blind! If you choose to ignore Scripture or to rationalize it or to circumvent it, I cannot show you enough proof that homosexuality is wrong! I can't even proof to you that the Jews are descendants of Abraham! Here's your problem: you seek to make homosexuality an accepted sexual practice... you do not seek to give homosexual rights... you seek to make homosexuality a simple choice that is sanctioned by God! You will only convince yourself (and any homosexual that deceives him/herself into thinking that God created them so and that God desires all to be happy with their personal choices)... These men which you so vehemently choose to protect for the wages of sin quickly gathered around Lot's house seeking to have homosexual sex with the men Lot was hosting... since they knew Lot before this particular incident, they knew that Lots daughters had not been married (being from such a devoted household they were clearly virgins); yet there was no interest in having an orgie with Lots daughters... and there was no mention of their desire to attack/bed Lots daughter prior to the incident nor during the incident... their whole purpose was to have homosexual intercourse with the men in Lot's care... Did Lot think that having his daughters raped and sodomized by these men was a good thing? Apparently you read the Bible in an effort to find errors not in an effort to understand God (for God so loved the world that He gave His only Begotten Son!)... Jesus tells us that a true friend would give his life for a friend... this is not knew to God's people... it is the code of conduct expected and demanded of them by Yahweh! Lot volunteered his hospitability to these extrangers that came into the city... he was obliged to do everything that he could to secure their well-being; yes, including giving his own life for them... did you not notice that? Lot went out of his house to fend the eminent attack on the strangers! He appealed to them to allow free passage for the men inside his home... he reasoned with them that he had extended his hospitability to them... he pleaded with them to take their lust out on his daughters in an effort to spare the shame that these foreigners would suffer at their onsluaght... he offered to them what he could... but their homosexual appetite was greater than their natural sexual desire to possess a virgin woman and they rejected his offer! Further, since he insisted on keeping them from the object of their conquest, they threatened Lot with sexually assaulting him even more so than they would his guests! If you still insist on reading Scriptural proof that homosexuality is a perverted sin against God and nature, read Romans 1:18-32! God Bless! Angel |
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