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1 | God sought Moses to kill him | Ex 4:24 | budderfligh | 198268 | ||
Hello and peace to you. In answer to your second question, I submit the following verses: Exd 7:3 And I will harden Pharaoh's heart, and multiply my signs and my wonders in the land of Egypt. Exd 7:4 But Pharaoh shall not hearken unto you, that I may lay my hand upon Egypt, and bring forth mine armies, [and] my people the children of Israel, out of the land of Egypt by great judgments. Exd 7:5 And the Egyptians shall know that I [am] the LORD, when I stretch forth mine hand upon Egypt, and bring out the children of Israel from among them. Verse 4 indicates God wanted to "lay my hand upont Egypt", or punish them because of the vile and terrible treatment His people had received at the Egyptians hands as slaves. Exd 11:7 But against any of the children of Israel shall not a dog move his tongue, against man or beast: that ye may know how that the LORD doth put a difference between the Egyptians and Israel. Exd 11:8 And all these thy servants shall come down unto me, and bow down themselves unto me, saying, Get thee out, and all the people that follow thee: and after that I will go out. And he went out from Pharaoh in a great anger. Exd 11:9 ¶ And the LORD said unto Moses, Pharaoh shall not hearken unto you; that my wonders may be multiplied in the land of Egypt. Exd 11:10 And Moses and Aaron did all these wonders before Pharaoh: and the LORD hardened Pharaoh's heart, so that he would not let the children of Israel go out of his land. In verse 7 there is definitely a difference between the world (Egypt) and God's people and He wants them to know this! Verse 9 seems to indicate that God wanted his wonders to increase in the land so there would be no doubt in the people's minds that He is the one true God. God always wants to be represented and viewed as the one and only true God. Happy New Year and God Bless! budderfligh |
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2 | God sought Moses to kill him | Ex 4:24 | jlhetrick | 198277 | ||
budderfligh- welcome to the forum and happy new year. In your post you wrote regarding Exodus 7:4 "Verse 4 indicates God wanted to "lay my hand upont Egypt", or punish them because of the vile and terrible treatment His people had received at the Egyptians hands as slaves." Perhaps I'm missing it but I'm not finding that in the text. I believe that a deeper study of the topic will show that God's "laying His hand" upon Egypt had more to do with His intent to both keep the covenant He made with Abraham as well as to distinguish His chosen Israel from Egypt (Exd. 11:7) and to demonstrate His sovereignty. A good place to start in our interpretation of verse 4 is the very next verse (5). Ex 7:5The Egyptians shall know that I am the Lord, when I stretch out my hand against Egypt and bring out the people of Israel from among them.”ESV You make reference to my points later in your post, but I wanted to address your interpretation of verse 4. God bless, Jeff |
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3 | God sought Moses to kill him | Ex 4:24 | budderfligh | 198294 | ||
Hi Jeff, I looked at several other translations of Scripture on this verse and would like to include at least one of them in this thread: Ex 7:3 But I will harden Pharaoh's heart, and though I multiply my miraculous signs and wonders in Egypt, Ex 7:4 he will not listen to you. Then I will lay my hand on Egypt and with mighty acts of judgment I will bring out my divisions, my people the Israelites. Ex 7:5 And the Egyptians will know that I am the LORD when I stretch out my hand against Egypt and bring the Israelites out of it." This is from the New International Version. I totally agree with you that God was making a distinction between His people and Egypt and also that he was displaying his sovereignity as you state, but I also think his hand was "against" Egypt. Forgive me Jeff, I am not a Bible Scholar as many on this site are, but I am failing to see anything other than when God laid his hand on Egypt it brought about undesireable results for them and this was a direct result of God hardening Pharoah's heart. You do not see "laying his hand" on Egypt as being a punishment? Please explain if this is the case and again, forgive my inability to understand what you're saying. Thank you and God bless, budderfligh |
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4 | God sought Moses to kill him | Ex 4:24 | jlhetrick | 198296 | ||
Thanks for the response budderfligh. To clarify- I will avoid a debate regarding punishment vs. judgment especially because I don't believe that our disagreement or misunderstanding is rooted there. I do not at all doubt that God judged Egypt. My only concern with your previous post was the notion that He did so as a "punishment" against Egypt for their mistreatment of the Israelites. My point was that Scripture does not teach that, but, instead teaches that the purpose of the judgment was primarily to demonstrate that God is God and He alone is sovereign as well as to single out Israel as His chosen. Neither the sins of Isreal nor those of Egypt (to include the choices and desires of both) were able to prevent God's being faithful to the covenant He had made with Abraham. My hope was to direct attention to not giving interpretation to biblical events that are not biblically supported, in spite of the common understanding that Egypt was an evil nation and worthy of judgment/punishment. God's purpose is made clear in the text and the text doesn't say that the reason for the judgment was to punish Egypt for mistreating Israel. I would offer further biblical reference (and will when I have time) that might better clarify my point but I'm currently closing down one office for the day and will be heading out to another for a few hours. I don't have chapter and verse committed to memory and do not want to further confound the issue with a misquote. Please don't believe that my original post was an attack. It was simply intended to address what I saw to be an interpretation based on very good assumption but not the text. Got to go, God bless, Jeff |
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5 | God sought Moses to kill him | Ex 4:24 | budderfligh | 198310 | ||
Hi Jeff, Gosh! You guys really keep people on their toes don't you? I can see that I shall have to be much more cautious in chosing my words when posting to this forum! :-) Ok, I understand what you're saying now and will have to agree that the text does not necessarily say what the reason was for God to "lay my hand upon Egypt", but I still interpret this to be a bad thing that was going to happen to Egpyt and I really don't know whether it was punishment or judgement. After pondering these two words I can understand the difference between them even though theologically speaking I probably don't grasp the full significance of the difference between them. You've given my mind something to chew on and I've already decided to search for previous threads on these two words. Thank you for the challenge! I also gave Ex. 11:7-10 as part of my original answer and stated that God is sovereign and that He wanted to make a difference between His people and the Egyptians which seems to follow your main line of thought also. Thank you for reminding me of Isa 55:8 For my thoughts [are] not your thoughts, neither [are] your ways my ways, saith the LORD. God bless and keep you, budderfligh |
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6 | God sought Moses to kill him | Ex 4:24 | jlhetrick | 198357 | ||
budderfligh- we certainly do all work hard to keep each other on our toes. It's the only forum that I have found on the internet that has a long standing history of strict adherence to the authority of Scripture. If you are ever so board you can research some of my posts and see not only where I have missed the mark, but had others redirect and correct my statements. How valuable it has been for me to have others give me feedback and challenge me to consider my own thoughts and conclusions about certain things in Scripture. I know this might sound like nothing more than a cliche, but the truth is that my involvement on the forum has truly helped me to understand that what I do know about God and His word is far less than I had at one point believed it to be. That alone was and is essential to spiritual growth I believe. I am truly thankful for the forum and for Lockman's commitment to it's integrity. Thank you for your response. Once again I find myself convicted by the humility of another. God bless, Jeff |
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