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1 | Whose quotation marks or capitalization | Jer 3:19 | Ray | 23132 | ||
Hi Searcher56, You are correct that Hebrew nor Greek have quotation marks. They can influence who is speaking which means for me, is it a man or God; is the pronoun capitalized or not. Kalos has said that some translations do not use quotation marks but I must point out that the NASB does. The translation says that, and I agree with you that God is speaking, "You shall call Me, My Father, And not turn away from following Me." I am reminded of John 10:29,30 where if we used the marginal notes and the early manuscripts, would read, "What My Father has given to Me is greater than all; and no one is able to snatch them out of the Father's hand. I and My Father are one." Searcher, I would like to talk about verse 4 later for it is certainly a significant part of this passage. You have written "It is his desire that they call Him 'my Father' (vs 4). Can you tell me, first, if that is a typo or whether you think that that is Jeremiah's desire. It is important to be able to use capital letters and I would hope that RAINONME would be able, and see fit to use both BTW. Later, Ray |
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2 | Whose quotation marks or capitalization | Jer 3:19 | Searcher56 | 23134 | ||
Ray, I pointed out that verse 4 also used this phrase. I said it had to be God or Jeremiah speaking and I doubted that the latter wanted to be called father. S PS This shows that the name Father was used before the Lord taught the disciples how to pray (Matt 6:9ff). |
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3 | Whose quotation marks or capitalization | Jer 3:19 | Ray | 23185 | ||
Hi Searcher, I have no doubt that God is speaking for Jeremiah 3 starts with the words "God says,..." I have no doubt that the capitalization of Jer 3:4 and 19 are correct in these translations concerning the Father. A man can be a father, and the gods that the unfaithful nation made for themselves can be called a father, but our God is to be known as Father. I think it has to be that way in order to show the contrast. I have little respect for any new version that does not attempt to give glory to God through capitalization. Sorry if that offends. See Jeremiah 2:27, "Who say to a tree, 'You are my father,' And to a stone, 'You gave me birth.' For they have turned their back to (Me), And not their face; But in the time of their trouble they will say, 'Arise and save us.' But where are your gods Which you made for yourself?" Yet the book of Jeremiah deals with (His) people. Jeremiah 1:4, "Now the word of the Lord came to me saying, "Before (I) formed you in the womb I knew you, And before you were born I consecrated you; I have appointed you a prophet to the nations." Verse 8, "For (I) am with you to deliver you,"... Jer 1:16b, "...they have forsaken (Me) and have offered sacrifices to other gods, and worshiped the works of their own hands." Jer 2:2 He looks back on the honeymoon with His bride and ..."Your following after (Me) in the wilderness." Jer 2:7, "And (I) brought you into the fruitful land, To eat its fruit and its good things." Jer 2:11, "Has a nation changed gods, When they were not gods? But (My) people have changed their glory For that which does not profit." They not only forsook Him, but they made broken cisterns for themselves. Jer 2:32, "Can a virgin forget her ornaments, Or a bride her attire? Yet (My) people have forgotten Me Days without number." Jer 3:1, "God says,...But you are a harlot with many lovers; Yet you turn to Me," declares the Lord." Now I've come to our verse of discussion and let me put in an extra "word" to allow for an understanding of the choice of case. Jer 3:4, "Have you not just now called to Me, "*O my Father, Thou art the friend of my youth?" The reference verses in my Study Bible for verse 4 here are verse 19 and Jeremiah 31:9, "For I am a father (NASB) to Israel, And Ephrim is My first-born." The NKJ reads "Father". So you are correct in your thought about the disciple's prayer in Matthew 6:9ff and its speaking of our Father and God's kingdom. I am also reminded of Matthew 23:8-10, "But do not be called Rabbi; for One is your Teacher, and you are all brothers. And do not call anyone on earth your father; for One is your Father, He who is in heaven. And do not be called leaders; for One is your Leader, that is Christ." That brings me to my concluding thought. The marginal note in my Study Bible for Jer 3:4 informs us that the word "friend" is literally "leader" here. Thus could we just now say "O my Father, Thou art the Leader of my youth?" Glorify the Lord, for He is our God. Later, Ray |
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