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1 | Does Jer 32:35 disprove hell? | Jer 32:35 | Beja | 227517 | ||
Julia, The point in Jerimiah 32:35 is that child sacrifice never entered his mind. The means, passing through fire, is completely secondary to the point. The point was the child sacrifice. Nor can you take something like this in such a blanket sense. He means that He never wanted the Israelites to sacrifice their children, we don't stretch that to exclude something like God sending His son to die on the cross. Even if the point was a burning in fire, God would not then be saying that somebody burning in fire never entered His mind, but rather that THEM burning THEIR children never entered his mind to command them to do it. Your husband is simply applying this scripture in a way it is not intended. I hope this helps. In Christ, Beja |
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2 | Sodom and Gomorrah | Jer 32:35 | julcol87 | 227518 | ||
Beja, Thanks for your help, I just had a bible study on the hell doctrine, but didnt ask them about Jer 32:35. I know what my husband is trying to do, and he's tryin to get me not to believe in hell, bcause I'm still learning, but it's clear to me that there is a place where the wicked will go. Can you help me understand the Sodom and Gomorrah occasion (Jude 1:7).? Thanks again:) |
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3 | Sodom and Gomorrah | Jer 32:35 | Beja | 227519 | ||
Julia, I do not think it means to say that what sodom and gomorrah suffered was exactly the same thing as the eternal fires of hell. I'm not certain what the difficulty is but I imagine your husband's arguement going something like this: This says that what sodom and gomorrah experienced was the eternal fire. Yet this was only temporary and a moment and time destruction, so therefore eternal fire in other places doesn't really mean eternal. If I'm mistaken correct me. Assuming, however, that I'm correct I'll try to address this. Jud 1:7 just as Sodom and Gomorrah and the cities around them, since they in the same way as these indulged in gross immorality and went after strange flesh, are exhibited as an example in undergoing the punishment of eternal fire. What we are seeing here, is that false teachers have crept into the church and the author is trying to assure them of the coming final judgement. How do we prove the coming judgement? There has never been an eternal judgement of the same sort. So what the author is doing is grabing examples of God's judgements that have happened and they are using those as proofs that God is in fact a God who has judged sinners in the past, and therefore we need not doubt that He will climatically judge them in the future. Therefore the fires of destruction that destroyed Sodom and Gomorrah are held forth as a type or example of the eternal fires that are coming. So what we are seeing is a limited comparison. Something that has similiarities to eternal judgement, but is only limited in its similarities. I think what I'm telling you is accurate and you can trust it, however, let me just say that a passage such as this, where the meaning is somewhat uncertain should never be allowed to trump the numerous clear passages we have affirming the existence of hell. Clear passages always help us understand the unclear passages. We do not take an unclear passage and use it to negate clearly stated teaching in other places. I hope this helps. In Christ, Beja |
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4 | symbolic/literal scriptures? | Jer 32:35 | julcol87 | 227520 | ||
Beja, It is very clear to me in scriptures that there is the existence of hell, but he gets different passages to try and prove there is no hell, because that's what he was taught from the very beginning of his life. I would like to have the knowledge you have of the Bible already, but I'm just a baby in Christ. Thank you and everybody else who helps us on this website. And can you explain to me what it means when a scripture is symbolic, or literal? Thanks Julia |
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5 | symbolic/literal scriptures? | Jer 32:35 | Beja | 227521 | ||
Julia, Writing is very flexible. Something literal is taken at face value. A flower is a plant. This is literal, I'm not using fancy language to paint some picture for you. On the other hand I could give you a very similiar sentence, "Judah is a lion." And what I certainly do not mean is that Judah is a large hunting cat. I am not saying something literal. I'm attributing certain qualities of a lion to judah whether it be the ferocity, the preditory nature, or the majestic aspects of the creature. In scripture we sometime see very dramatic symbolism. In Zechariah chapter 5 we see a vision of a giant 30 foot long scroll flying through the air. The author does not meant for this to be taken as a prophecy of a literal giant scroll that will one day fly over the world. Rather he menas for it to be symbolic of something. In this case it symbolizes the words of the Lord that will be pronounced in a curse over the world. Now, one of the surest indicators of when symbolism is being used is what type of genre you are reading. There is poetry, history, apocalyptic literature, parables, didactic teaching. This may sound intimidating but give it a little thought. Where do you suspect symbolism? In history? Probably not. It is attempting to give an account of the past. However in apocalypic literature symbolism is used extensively. Revelations, Zechariah, and Daniel all have many examples of symbolism. Beasts that represent nations in reality. Trees that represent a kingdom, and on it goes. Now, to apply this to our current discussion, we have hell displayed as an eternal place of torment in a variety genres, apocalyptic, parables, and straightforward teaching. The suggestion that it is all symbolism in every case would be extremely doubtful. However, when they suggest that hell is symbolic, what they mean is that it is only speech that really means something else. For example it simply means to be a symbol of how God's wrath is really displayed at the end. I hope this helps. In Christ, Beja |
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6 | symbolic/literal scriptures? | Jer 32:35 | julcol87 | 227523 | ||
I understand what your talking about now, and I guess overtime I'll be able to tell right away, what scripture is symbolic and what is literal. I understand symbolic pretty clearly about the 30 ft scroll. So literal would be versus such as these: Mathew 25:41, 13:41-42 2 peter 3:7 If I'm understanding it correctly.. Thanks |
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7 | symbolic/literal scriptures? | Jer 32:35 | Beja | 227532 | ||
Julia, Absolutely. I think those are fine examples of passages where there was full intent that the words be taken literally. In addition, you'll neve reach a point where it is all just obvious. You will have some passages which are obviously literal and you will have some that are obviously symbolic. However, there will always be some that we must work hard in order to see how the author intended his words to be understood. Though God's word is worth such diligent study. And my God cause you to prosper in knowing His word and may you be diligent to grow in it. Let nobody despise the day of small things, though let us not be content to stay there. In Christ, Beja |
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