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1 | Boasting in Man Is Doubly Excluded | Is 2:11 | Morant61 | 88622 | ||
Greetings Jibbs! Sorry about the triple post! I accidently hit my send button too many times! :-) Your Brother in Christ, Tim Moran |
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2 | Boasting in Man Is Doubly Excluded | Is 2:11 | JibbyJee | 88623 | ||
Dear Tim: LoL!! I know I may be a bit dense at times, but c'mon brother, you only need to say it once!!! Gimme a break! No, I'm being silly. It's happened to me before, too. I've heard the "gift" analogy many, many times. But in that construct, please answer this objection honestly: You wrote:"Those who believe that Christ died for all and draws all, do not believe that our choice of God is the determinate factor in salvation. The determinate factor is God's timeless decision to die on the cross for the sins of the world." Please be patient with me. I don't understand this at all. To me it's almost a non-statement. How does Jesus dying on the cross for the "WORLD" become the determining factor in the salvation of INDIVIDUALS?? If Jesus' substitutionary payment for our sins on the cross is the determining factor for our salvation as you say it is (I agree so far), not only for us, but also for every other individual on earth, then why aren't ALL PEOPLE SAVED? (Hint; Only the elect will be saved. Matt. 24:31) The whole gift thing (accept/reject) is not found in the Bible. It is a gift ONLY to the elect (Eph. 1:4-14). We were all at one time DEAD in sin. Dead people don't accept spiritual gifts, heck, they can't even understand them (1 Cor. 2:14). But Christ made us alive (Rom. 8:5, 47; Titus 3:5)(that's right, regeneration precedes faith!!) so that we could be saved. Either I'm missing the point of your statement, or you are missing the point of mine, or one of us is not being completely honest with the issue. It's right in line with this: If Jesus paid for the EVERY sin of EVERY man (including unbelief!) then on what basis is ANYONE judged? What sin could be held against them? In Christ, Jibbs PS...Did you get everything moved? |
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3 | Boasting in Man Is Doubly Excluded | Is 2:11 | Morant61 | 88660 | ||
Greetings Jibbs! Your doing better than I am then! I usually have to hear things a couple of times! ;-) Everything is just about moved. I plan on finishing today, so I'll have to make this brief. To keep things simple, let's continue with the gift analogy. Let's suppose that you are absolutely broke. So, I offer you a gift in the form of a check for 1 million dollars (don't get your hopes up, in reality I'm broke too! :-) ). However, you refuse to accept the check. You refuse to cash the check. Therefore, your still broke, even though there is a check waiting for you worth 1 million dollars. I see the gift of salvation in the same way. Christ died for every sin of every person on the cross. He offers us salvation as a gift, but if we don't accept it, it does us no good. This gift analogy actually is found in the Bible. Try Rom. 5-6! Especially note Rom. 5:17 where Paul talks about the benefit of this gift for those who 'receive' it. Well, back to work! Your Brother in Christ, Tim Moran |
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