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1 | These things say He who is holy | Is 22:22 | following him | 133764 | ||
Good morning Ray: I would go with the NASB. But this is only because I like it better. To me the passages are saying the same thing and refereing to to same One. The only difference is the repetition of the word He and the placement of "These things says(KJV)/says this(NASB). In my opinion this difference in of little importance. It is important though as to who Is the one speaking and in both cases I believe it to be correctly capitalized. Blessing to you Aaron |
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2 | These things say He who is holy | Is 22:22 | Ray | 133777 | ||
Hi Aaron, Thank you for answering. I agree with you that the One who is holy and true is talking about God. The problem that I am presenting is whether the repetition of "(h)He who is true, "(h)He who has the key of David", "(h)He who opens and no one shuts, and shuts and no one opens" are to be included. For remember that the passage in Isaiah 22:20-25 is talking about Eliakim the son of Hilkiah and the pronouns concerning him are correctly in the lower case. So this a dual prophecy. The One who has the key of the house of David in both Isaiah and Revelation is God. My question is related to the idea of whether we can think of Jesus as just a man like David or Eliakim or not. How important is it to think of Him as a Man and to give Him glory in capitalization? Isaiah 9:7, "There will be no end to the increase of His government or of peace, On the throne of David and over his [His, NKJ] kingdom." From the heart, Ray |
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3 | These things say He who is holy | Is 22:22 | following him | 134321 | ||
Hello Ray; Forgive me for taking so long in getting back to you. "The problem that I am presenting is whether the repetition of "(h)He who is true, "(h)He who has the key of David", "(h)He who opens and no one shuts, and shuts and no one opens" are to be included." In this case (refering to the NASB) I dont believe it matters since "He" is at the beginning of the list and all those attributes listed relate back to the first He. "My question is related to the idea of whether we can think of Jesus as just a man like David or Eliakim or not. How important is it to think of Him as a Man and to give Him glory in capitalization?" It is essential that we think of Him as a man. If it wasn't important for God to become man why did He do it. But neither are we to think lightly of His Diety. I can see it is rather a fine line of distinction. We must see Christ both as a man and as God yet the two are somehow inseperable. I can give you scriptural reasons to think of Him as man and I can give you scriptural reasons to think of Him as God. How to divide the two concepts I dont know if it can be done or if it should. I am aware that my answers to you are nothing new to you so they probably didn't help except to muddy it a bit. Sorry :-) Blessing to you Aaron |
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4 | These things say He who is holy | Is 22:22 | Ray | 134336 | ||
Hi Aaron, I agree that all of the possible pronouns in Revelation 3:7 are talking about the One who is holy. And I would go with the NASB for this verse. l) However, for the Isaiah 22:22 passage, whoever has the key of David and is able to shut and open the door is in the lower case. So, I wonder what it means to have the key of David on one's shoulder. I do know from the passage that it is a throne that will not last forever in Eliakim's case. 2) A Scripture reference given for Isaiah 22:22 is Isaiah 9:7 where in contrast the government that is on His shoulders will be forevermore. So there is a difference between having the key of David on one's shoulders and having the government on the Son's shoulders. 3) I believe that it is essential that we think of Him as a Man and not just a man. Just as Adam was called Man before the fall, even so the second Adam should be called Man because He is without sin. I believe that it is important that He went through the experiences that we as men do, however I see no reason to think of Him as a man. I find no fault in this righteous Man. From the heart, Ray |
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