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1 | Torah observance in the church?? | Prov 28:9 | Eliyahu | 161968 | ||
If those who turn away their ear from hearing the Torah are an abominable noise in Yahweh's ears when they pray, how come the Church doesn't keep the Torah? | ||||||
2 | Torah observance in the church?? | Prov 28:9 | CDBJ | 161969 | ||
Very interesting point Eliyahu, and welcome to the forum. Proverbs 28:9 He that turneth away his ear from hearing the law, even his prayer shall be abomination. This might be the reason. Romans 10:1-9 Brethren, my heart's desire and prayer to God for Israel is, that they might be saved. [2] For I bear them record that they have a zeal of God, but not according to knowledge. [3] For they being ignorant of God's righteousness, and going about to establish their own righteousness, have not submitted themselves unto the righteousness of God. [4] For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to every one that believeth. [5] For Moses describeth the righteousness which is of the law, That the man which doeth those things shall live by them. [6] But the righteousness which is of faith speaketh on this wise, Say not in thine heart, Who shall ascend into heaven? (that is, to bring Christ down from above:) [7] Or, Who shall descend into the deep? (that is, to bring up Christ again from the dead.) [8] But what saith it? The word is nigh thee, even in thy mouth, and in thy heart: that is, the word of faith, which we preach; [9] That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved. I believe the previous verses, linked with the following is the answer to your question. Galatians 2:16-21 Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law, but by the faith of Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Jesus Christ, that we might be justified by the faith of Christ, and not by the works of the law: for by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified. [17] But if, while we seek to be justified by Christ, we ourselves also are found sinners, is therefore Christ the minister of sin? God forbid. [18] For if I build again the things which I destroyed, I make myself a transgressor. [19] For I through the law am dead to the law, that I might live unto God. [20] I am crucified with Christ: nevertheless I live; yet not I, but Christ liveth in me: and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by the faith of the Son of God, who loved me, and gave himself for me. [21] I do not frustrate the grace of God: for if righteousness come by the law, then Christ is dead in vain. Hebrews 1:1-3 God, who at sundry times and in divers manners spake in time past unto the fathers by the prophets, [2] Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds; [3] Who being the brightness of his glory, and the express image of his person, and upholding all things by the word of his power, when he had by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high; Have a great day and enjoy the forum, CDBJ |
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3 | Agreed, but on that note.... | Prov 28:9 | Eliyahu | 161994 | ||
I agree to these verses you have posted. But there's something else in my spirit that is calling out to me about walking in righteousness. In Yeremyahu (Jeremiah) 31:33, it says that the Covenant that is coming, being mediated by the Meshiach, would write the Torah upon our hearts. It will not be as before where the Torah is written on parchment for us to read and try to measure ourselves up to, but it will be a new nature within us, replacing our carnal nature. Hence, in walking by the Spirit given to us (I John 3:24), we keep the Torah by nature. So that leaves me with this question: If the Messiah writes the Torah upon our hearts, that we keep it because it is our new nature, why don't I see this in our modern churches? Is something missing in today's church? I'm not trying to preach legalism, but at the same time, I'm certainly not going to promote "illegalism" (or lawlessness) either. Any thoughts? Shalom. |
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4 | Agreed, but on that note.... | Prov 28:9 | DocTrinsograce | 162002 | ||
Dear Eliyahu, There are many doctrines in the modern church: Antinomianism, Legalism, Finneyism, Word of Faith, Liberal Theology, Synergism, Neo-Orthodoxy, Religious Pluralism, Syncretism, Relativism, Mysticism, etc. etc. Where the Word of God is neglected, nothing prospers but the tares. If the church is no different than the world, it should not surprise us when it lacks power and purity. In Him, Doc "Men today do not, perhaps, burn the Bible, nor does the Roman Catholic Church any longer put it on the Index, as it once did. But men destroy it in the form of exegesis: they destroy it in the way they deal with it. They destroy it by not reading it as written in normal, literary form, by ignoring its historical-grammatical exegesis, by changing the Bible's own perspective of itself as propositional revelation in space and time, in history...." --Francis Schaeffer "God has not deserted his Church; He has brought her through even darker hours than those which try our courage now, yet the darkest hour has always come before the dawn. We have today the entrance of paganism into the Church in the name of Christianity. But in the second century a similar battle was fought and won. And another Reformation in God's good time will come." --J. Gresham Machen |
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