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1 | Theological Terms | Prov 1:5 | mark d seyler | 173914 | ||
Of course this is not a complete list of views of salvation. I think this is exemplary of the error you tend to ascribe to me which I do not, and never have, subscribed to. You prefer to characterize me as a "synergist", and you include in your definition "This theory accordingly holds that the soul has not lost in the fall all inclination toward holiness, nor all power to seek for it under the influence of ordinary motives." And so based on that definition, that is not what I believe. I apologize if I have not been clear in my presentation of the Gospel. Luke 15:4 "What man among you, if he has a hundred sheep and has lost one of them, does not leave the ninety-nine in the open pasture and go after the one which is lost until he finds it? Luke 15:5 "When he has found it, he lays it on his shoulders, rejoicing. Luke 15:6 "And when he comes home, he calls together his friends and his neighbors, saying to them, 'Rejoice with me, for I have found my sheep which was lost!' Luke 15:7 "I tell you that in the same way, there will be more joy in heaven over one sinner who repents than over ninety-nine righteous persons who need no repentance. The Bible does not teach that we go searching for Jesus, but that He came searching for us. We do not, of our own devices and motivations, "under the influence of ordinary motives" stand up and say, I need a saviour! Mat 9:13 But going, learn what this is, "I desire mercy and not sacrifice." For I did not come to call righteous ones, but sinners to repentance. Hos. 6:6 He calls us to repentance. That is hardly an "ordinary motive" in my book. Maybe it is in yours. As I look at your definitions, none of them actually acomodate this view. That which is done to save is done by God, God wills all to be saved, and saves the willing. Love in Christ, Mark |
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2 | Theological Terms | Prov 1:5 | DocTrinsograce | 173919 | ||
Dear Brother Mark, Thank you for taking the time for such gracious response. Very briefly: What other views of salvation might there be? (1) Man exclusively does the work (2) Man and God do the work together (3) God exclusively does the work I don't mean to be argumentative, but I've never come across a fourth category in my study of theology. Of course, that may be a limitation of my studies! :-) By what name is this fourth type of soteriology known? In Him, Doc PS I hope to write more later. Thanks again for responding in such a pleasant tone, sir. :-) |
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3 | Theological Terms | Prov 1:5 | mark d seyler | 173922 | ||
Hi Doc, Synergy means working together, and so I know that we differ on the application of this word. You would call giving consent a "work". I do not. The Bible declares that we do not work for our salvation, yet it constantly demands our willingness before salvation occurs. In the case of the man who receives a call from his bank asking if it is alright for a Mr. Trump to deposit a bazillion dollars into his account, when the man says "yes", you would say that this man has worked for his wealth, while I would say that this man has not worked for his wealth, that he has received as a free gift that which this Mr. Trump has worked for. But the point that really captured my attention was: "This theory accordingly holds that the soul has not lost in the fall all inclination toward holiness, nor all power to seek for it under the influence of ordinary motives." We do not beleive that man, out of his "ordinary motives" seeks after God. Matt 11:28 "Come to Me, all who are weary and heavy-laden, and I will give you rest." 1 John 1 1 What was from the beginning, what we have heard, what we have seen with our eyes, what we have looked at and touched with our hands, concerning the Word of Life-- 2 and the life was manifested, and we have seen and testify and proclaim to you the eternal life, which was with the Father and was manifested to us-- 3 what we have seen and heard we proclaim to you also, so that you too may have fellowship with us; and indeed our fellowship is with the Father, and with His Son Jesus Christ. Its not as if we are simply going through our lives, and one day wake up and say, "Ya know, I need a savior!" God makes Himself known to us - He comes to us - but He only saves us if we are willing to receive Him. John 1:12 But as many as received (active voice) Him, to them He gave the right to become children of God, even to those who believe in His name, The Bible tells us that we receive Jesus. Over and over, throughout the pages of Scripture, God pleads with man to let Him save us. To let Him gather us together. God does not force Himself on people. God has done all the work of salvation. God wills all to be saved. God saves those who are willing. Love in Christ, Mark |
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4 | Theological Terms | Prov 1:5 | Ocelot | 173923 | ||
Amen! Ocelot |
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