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1 | Spare the rod, spoil the child | Prov 13:24 | lookwhojesusloves | 178361 | ||
This came via e-mail from a sister-in-Christ: For one thing, the story is used as a metaphor for GUIDING a herd of sheep. I believe when people pull one verse out of the Bible for their own agenda is wrong. One must read the verses before and after scripture to get the entire concept. I have not read what comes before and after that particular verse. Jesus certainly did not preach hitting children at the Sermon on the Mount or the Beatitudes as they are known by some. There are a number of verses that can be taken from what Jesus said to contradict "Spare the rod and spoil the child." Jesus loved children and I do know that is mentioned many places in scripture. And then there is always, "What you do to the least of these, you do to ME also." My personal belief is that sometimes a child must be spanked to get his/her attention in terms of respecting the parent, just as God sometimes disciplines us for our behavior as our Heavenly Father. This method is usually due to the fact that the child has not been appropriately disciplined up to that point. Usually when a child is spanked once or twice, one does not have to do it again. Also, I believe that some parents resort to spanking when nothing else has worked. Unfortunately, parenting skills are not taught the way they should be to so many. Hitting a child really means you are only bigger than he/she is physically; it teaches hitting and so the chain of physical abuse can start with that child acting out towards other children also and becoming a physical bully. Although some children may require being spanked a few times as I mentioned previously at a fairly young age; but usually if a child has to be spanked, it is because the parents have not been verbally teaching the child what is acceptable behavior and what is not. When disciplined is required, I believe in "time-outs" and then talking with the child after the time out to discuss punishment. "Child's Name, what do you think your punishment should be for hitting your sister?" Then help them along with a few options of no Play Station for a few days or other privileges. Hitting is just plain wrong and one finds it in the Bible only when punishing criminals (as some believed Jesus to be a criminal for professing to be God's son), not children. At some point, people must accept that what they have been taught is wrong...not only wrong, but does more damage than harm, continuing the generational sin that Beth Moore speaks of in Breaking Free. I would research the Bible thoroughly with a Concordance (they even have them on line), and take that minister to task on his statement. The child that hit his parent has been taught to hit somewhere along the line, without any scriptural reference you can be sure. Sparing the rod simply means not to spare the child GUIDANCE as you teach the child the ways of Jesus. |
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2 | Spare the rod, spoil the child | Prov 13:24 | Searcher56 | 178388 | ||
Well this has NO Biblical foundation ... Did you study as asked? I doubt it, since you still bring up about what Jesus did. WOE to the one who FAILS to disciple their children, as directed in the Bible ... start in Proverbs. As for you - I will not discuss this matter until you study what the Bible says. |
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3 | Spare the rod, spoil the child | Prov 13:24 | MJH | 178400 | ||
Searcher, See my answer to her original question.... But to paraphrase, Proverbs are not commands. The word "child" in Proverbs 22 and 23 should be translated "young man" as it is everywhere else in scripture (that I found). The use of "son" in Proverbs 13 does not mean toddler, but son. And all proverbs was written to a young man, and other proverbs point to this "son" as being older. It is incorrect to read Proverbs as commands. To do so is to fail to understand the genre. To discipline does not equal “to punish.” Punishment may be a part of discipline, but they are not synonyms. To discipline is more of an act of guiding a person in the way they should go as a Shepherd guides a sheep; only in extreme cases is the instrument of guiding ever used to strike. Most Christian parents strike their toddlers and young children, but not their older children. Personally our family uses the spanking method so seldom that my children think we are “non-spankers” that is until they really cross the line. But for families that do not use this form of discipline, their children are no less well off as long as loving guiding discipline is used. And those who use corporal punishment have every right by God do to so, assuming it is never done out of anger or frustration. MJH |
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4 | Spare the rod, spoil the child | Prov 13:24 | DocTrinsograce | 178403 | ||
Dear MJH, You wrote, "It is incorrect to read Proverbs as commands. To do so is to fail to understand the genre." The author of Hebrews quoted Proverbs 3:11 in Hebrews 12:5, apparently using it as a command of exhortation. There are many other Proverbs that certainly echo the commands of Scripture (e.g., Proverbs 6:17; 6:32; 21:26). I agree that the genre is unique, but I'd question an assertion that would steer a believer away from submitting to the principles as something other than maxims for Godly living. Perhaps you meant something other than what you wrote? :-) On the topic at hand -- my two cents: Pain is a wonderful corrective tool and aid to memory. However, as parents, our purpose in discipline is to bring about repentance for rebellion to the commands of Scripture. That can, at times, be accomplished without resort to corporal punishment. It depends on the child and how readily they have learned to respond to the dictates of conscience. They say, "Justice is blind." I found, however, that in the area of discipline, living first by example, we must be fully cognizant of the ultimate goal, the character of the individual child, and the nature of sin; always lovingly prepared with a full repertoire of means. Fortunately, we have a sovereign Father who gives us lots of examples. In Him, Doc |
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