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1 | The raven (Gen 8:7)... | Gen 8:7 | xina | 182100 | ||
Wow, I've clearly hit a nerve. I'm sorry for offending you 3, if I have. I find it notable that with all the birds he could have sent out he sent two as different in nature as the raven and the dove and I do think there is some significance there. And while I may be overeaching in my quest to find it I don't think it should be ignored either. If we are to gain nothing from the raven and all that is significant is the dove, then why mention him at all? Why not skip this this verse and go straight to 8 if the dove were all that mattered? I think there's an important contrast and am just looking to find it. It's not about really about spiritual vs historical for me. Sure it happened but alot more than is in those two chapters would have happened in those 7 mos so there's a reason it's noteworthy. Could someone try to focus on clearing up it's significance to me instead of just jumping on my case for guessing? No one seems to want to talk about the raven... I would appreciate insights not just pertaining to allegory or overemphasis, but to the raven and this verse--especially if you have an insight that I may be missing or may not have considered--but there's no need to beat a dead horse. And while I value contrasting viewpoints, maybe more so than people agreeing with me, and I don't mind many people sharing the same viewpoint but I do not understand the need for multiple posts from the same person saying essentially the same thing (I think your 2nd long post would have sufficed and amply made your points, but the 3rd was needlessly repetative). And though I appreciate it nonetheless, I still feel no more comprehensive of the verse... and would appreciate some insight on the verse as well as on myself. So instead of just "you're off base and that's not good because..." how about some "you're off base, I think it's more like..." answers would be greatly appreciated and are currently requested. |
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2 | The raven (Gen 8:7)... | Gen 8:7 | Wild Olive Shoot | 182117 | ||
xina, Here is some commentary from Matthew Henry you may find interesting, if you haven't happened upon it yet. "1. Noah sent forth a raven through the window of the ark, which went forth, as the Hebrew phrase is, going forth and returning, that is, flying about, and feeding on the carcases that floated, but returning to the ark for rest; probably not in it, but upon it. This gave Noah little satisfaction; therefore, 2. He sent forth a dove, which returned the first time with no good news, but probably wet and dirty; but, the second time, she brought an olive-leaf in her bill, which appeared to be first plucked off, a plain indication that now the trees, the fruit-trees, began to appear above water. Note here, (1.) That Noah sent forth the dove the second time seven days after the first time, and the third time was after seven days too; and probably the first sending of her out was seven days after the sending forth of the raven. This intimates that it was done on the sabbath day, which, it should seem, Noah religiously observed in the ark. Having kept the sabbath in a solemn assembly of his little church, he then expected special blessings from heaven, and enquired concerning them. Having directed his prayer, he looked up, Psa_5:3. (2.) The dove is an emblem of a gracious soul, which finding no rest for its foot, no solid peace or satisfaction in this world, this deluged defiling world, returns to Christ as to its ark, as to its Noah. The carnal heart, like the raven, takes up with the world, and feeds on the carrions it finds there; but return thou to thy rest, O my soul, to thy Noah, so the word is, Psa_116:7. O that I had wings like a dove, to flee to him! Psa_55:6. And as Noah put forth his hand, and took the dove, and pulled her in to him, into the ark, so Christ will graciously preserve, and help, and welcome, those that fly to him for rest. (3.) The olive-branch, which was an emblem of peace, was brought, not by the raven, a bird of prey, nor by a gay and proud peacock, but by a mild, patient, humble dove. It is a dove-like disposition that brings into the world earnests of rest and joy. (4.) Some make these things an allegory. The law was first sent forth like the raven, but brought no tidings of the assuaging of the waters of God's wrath, with which the world of mankind was deluged; therefore, in the fulness of time, God sent forth his gospel, as the dove, in the likeness of which the Holy Spirit descended, and this presents us with an olive-branch and brings in a better hope." - Matthew Henry's Commentary on the Whole Bible Stand in His grace, WOS |
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