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1 | Were humans a mistake? | Gen 6:6 | dat | 113972 | ||
Since God knows all things (past and present), why was he sorry that he created us and then brought the flood? He would have known what we were going to do. Or is this just so that we can see how much God loves us by giving us another chance? | ||||||
2 | Were humans a mistake? | Gen 6:6 | bstudent | 115881 | ||
"He is the Rock, his works are perfect, and all his ways are just. A faithful God who does no wrong, upright and just is he. They have acted corruptly toward him; to their shame they are no longer his children, but a warped and crooked generation." (Deut 32:4,5) Notice that God did preserve 8 souls alive while destroying the wicked. (2 Peter 2:4-9) Searcher56 believes "God knows all things (past and present." I assume he, like most, would also include future. While realizing that God has the ability to look to the future and does so when needed to ensure that his will is accomplished, he never interferes with our free will. If God knew that he had created a man, Adam, that would sin and that this would result in all the murders, rapes, injustices, etc. that followed, Deut 32:4 would be a lie. No moral person would create and market a product that he knew would cause untold misery to millions. God has many awesome abilities that he uses in harmony with his perfect standards. To illustrate, suppose you had the most beautiful voice in the world. Would you therefore sing every word you wanted to communicate to others. Of course not, for this would detract from your other qualities - your wit, compassion, etc. So too with God, to choose to know every action that his creatures will take before they do, and even before creating them, would make him responsible, obviously detracting from his other qualities and abilities - perfect judge, loving father, and so on. If God knows what we are going to do before we do it, why does he plead for people to turn around and do what's right? (Eze 18:30-32) God said to Abraham: "Do not lay a hand on the boy,. Do not do anything to him. Now I know that you fear God, because you have not withheld from me your son, your only son." Everything being done on the earth is clearly not God's will. Still some believe that God "takes us when it's our time.) The truth is revealed in verses like Psalm 55:23: "But you, O God, will bring down the wicked into the pit of corruption; bloodthirsty and deceitful men will not live out half their days." Many things taught as fundamental truths malign the true God and prevent students of the Bible from grasping the "solid food belonging to mature ones." Hope this helps you draw closer to God. (James 4:8) |
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3 | Were humans a mistake? | Gen 6:6 | BradK | 115895 | ||
bstudent: Could you offer any specific examples of "Many things taught as fundamental truths malign the true God and prevent students of the Bible from grasping the "solid food belonging to mature ones." Speaking the Truth in Love, BrdaK |
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4 | Were humans a mistake? | Gen 6:6 | bstudent | 115901 | ||
For all who agree that believing in a God that knows everything that will happen before it happens precludes the notion of freewill and makes God accountable for the atrocities of his creation, I will be happy to describe other fundamentally false doctrines. To write more to those that disagree would be to "run like a man running aimlessly . . .fighting like a man beating the air." (1 Cor 9:26) Please let me know. |
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5 | How does foreknowledge preclude free? | Gen 6:6 | Morant61 | 115910 | ||
Greetings Bstudent! Exactly how does God's knowledge of future events preclude freewill? Your Brother in Christ, Tim Moran |
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6 | How does foreknowledge preclude free? | Gen 6:6 | bstudent | 115917 | ||
"For when I have brought them into the land which I swore to their fathers, a land flowing with milk and honey, and they have eaten and filled themselves and become fat, then they will turn to other gods and serve them, and despise and scorn Me and break My covenant. And when many evils and troubles have befallen them, this [sacred] song will confront them as a witness, for it will never be forgotten from the mouths of their descendants. For I know their strong desire and the purposes which they are forming even now, before I have brought them into the land which I swore to give them.(Deut 31:20,21) Note that God’s ability to discern the outcome of their course did not mean that he was responsible for it or that it was what he wanted for them, but on the basis of what they were doing he could foresee the outcome. Similarly, on the basis of what is observed, a weather forecaster may predict the weather with a great degree of accuracy, but he does not cause it or necessarily like it. If God created Adam, foreknowing that he would choose to disobey Him, then logically he would have also foreordained that Adam would sin - thus no freewill. I would agree that Adam was created with the ability to disobey, but I further believe that a perfect "son of God" had a far greater capacity to obey, as the second Adam proved under far greater tests. If you have knowledge that your minor child has a drinking problem and you don't do all that is reasonably possible to prevent him from driving drunk, you will be held legally negligent. If you get him drunk and hand him the keys, you will be held responsible. God is so just that he will not violate his own perfect standards even when it costs him dearly (i.e. eye for eye, tooth for tooth, perfect life for perfect life.) If I thought the above were not true, I'd resign myself to agnosticism, if not atheism, as have many offended by the obvious contradiction that a loving God could foreknow all. |
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7 | How does foreknowledge preclude free? | Gen 6:6 | Morant61 | 115921 | ||
Greetings Bstudent! Thanks for the response! I have two problems with your logic. First of all, Scripture clearly affirms that God knows all things, including the future. Secondly, you are confusing foreknowledge with foreordination. God is timeless. His knowledge is not limited by sequence or chronology. He knows the 'end from the beginning' (Is. 46:10). But, this does not imply that He ordain that our free acts would occur. Your Brother in Christ, Tim Moran |
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8 | How does foreknowledge preclude free? | Gen 6:6 | bstudent | 115924 | ||
Rather than me explaining, perhaps you can explain how God could know that Adam would sin, then create him, then watch it happen, then punish him for what he already knew he would do, and not have foreordained the events in the Garden of Eden? | ||||||
9 | How does foreknowledge preclude free? | Gen 6:6 | Hank | 115927 | ||
bstudent: From your series of posts on this thread, it seems you might profit (as all of us always do) from a careful study of Job, especially Chapters 38-42, and particularly Job 38:2: "Who is this that darkens counsel by words without knowledge?" ..... And from Romans 9:20,21: "Who are you, O man, who answers back to God? The thing molded will not say to the molder, 'Why did you make me like this?' Or does not the potter have a right over the clay?..." .... Romans 8:28: "And we know that God causes all things to work together for good to those who love God, to those who are called according to His purpose." ..... bstudent, neither you nor I nor anyone else is able to second-guess the transcendent God! It has ever been my experience that heady subjects such as you are attempting to expound on in this series of posts leads me and other finite human beings swiftly into deep waters that are infinitely over our heads. And to what profit to ourselves and others? --Hank | ||||||
10 | How does foreknowledge preclude free? | Gen 6:6 | bstudent | 115988 | ||
"You will know the truth, and the truth will set you free." "God is looking for such ones to worship him with spirit and truth." "Sanctify them by means of the truth; your word is truth." "Draw close to God, and he will draw close to you." Without the truth, it is impossible to draw close to God. John said: "This is love for God: to obey his commands. And his commands are not burdensome, for everyone born of God overcomes the world. This is the victory that has overcome the world, even our faith." (1 John 5:3,4) The reason professed Christians will not follow such commands as "to be no part of the world" is because they do not know God and his purposes, thus they lack the necessary faith. Consequently, He will not give them his spirit vital to being able to conquer this world under Satan's rulership. (Hebrews 11:6; James 1:7,8) People that claim to have total faith in God pick up arms when prophesied wars and lawlessness occur, killing their brother for whom Christ died. (Compare Matt 24:6;1 John 3:9-12;4:20) Let's agree to put this on the "back burner." How about discussing something less "heady." I'll post a question at Rev 12:7. Hope to hear from you there! |
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11 | How does foreknowledge preclude free? | Gen 6:6 | Mary01 | 118504 | ||
Hello to you bstudent, I am reading, and taking notes on each and every one of your posts. I absolutely love them because I am understanding your reasoning and it seems to be reasonable/biblical. I have read weeks and weeks worth from those that are replying to you and they evidently are not being led by our Lord. I understand that "love" along with kindness and so forth should be a dominate quality displayed by Christians. This should be shown by what they write and it draws or repells me when it's done or not done even if what you write isn't what they believe. I believe the Bible. If you plan on leaving this forum, I would like to have your email so as to write you for more Biblical answers. Mine is carnold381@lycos.co.uk I'm looking forward to your next post. Mary01 |
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12 | How does foreknowledge preclude free? | Gen 6:6 | bstudent | 118586 | ||
Your comments make the ridicule worth enduring. I had been contemplating whether or not to continue using the Forum as an additional way to reach persons such as yourself with the good news. I will definitely contact you by email. Thanks again for your kind words. Bstudent |
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