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1 | naming and subordination | Gen 3:20 | azurelaw | 213406 | ||
We see that Adam did not name the woman Eve when she was brought to him by God in Gen 2:23 after he had given names to other animals nor did he name her Eve when God blessed them to be fruitful and multiply the earth (1:18). Now, Adam named her Eve. Does it render the thought that such action explained her being in subordination to Adam based on God's punishment as per 3:16 which also in accord with ruling status over other living creatures as appointed in 1:26 through naming them in 2:19? My points are: 1/ Was Eve subordinate to Adam only after the Fall? 2/ Did Adam's action of giving name to Eve signify his ruling power over her? Thanks and Shalom Azure |
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2 | naming and subordination | Gen 3:20 | keliy | 213408 | ||
Shalom Azure, I will try to not only answer the 'academic side' of your post, but I am feeling that there also is an underlying essence that could be addressed. In Gen 2:23, Adam called her "woman" -having being made from "man." (in Hebrew the term for woman is "Isha", a derivative of the name for man "Ish"). That name defined the TYPE of being she was, a "woman". The number 802 in Strong's is actually, ishshah. "woman" He then named her Eve after God expelled them from Eden. (Genesis 3:20) This name he gave her, ( Hebrew, Chava ), means "giver or source of life". It was at this time Adam identified the God-given ROLE that Eve/ Chava would have, namely to be the mother of all humankind. The number 2332 in Strong's is actually, Chavvah, "life giver" btw, The Hebrew (qara) is the word translated as called, and also as named. I would answer your first question in the negative, Was Eve subordinate to Adam only after the Fall, Because God commanded Adam not to eat the forbidden fruit before Eve came on the scene. This would point to Eve's subordination to Adam before the fall. Your second query could be answered in the positive, but with clarification. 'Did Adam's action of giving name to Eve signify his ruling power over her' No, for the reason Adam was doing the same thing he did for all the animals, he named them all. So I am not sure if I agree with your choice of words, 'ruling power'. I would say that God was the ruler, and his directives to Eve would be falling under his submission to God. He was never meant to have a despotic reign. Our God is however a God of order, not chaos. 1Cor 11:3 clears up any confusion as to authority, "But I would have you know, that the head of every man is Christ; and the head of the woman [is] the man; and the head of Christ [is] God. So, as Adam was first, that would necessarily place Eve in a position to obey Adam's authority, as being a helper to him, -but. My feelings are that since they were both to become one flesh, This means to me equal, yet separate. So, 'ruling power' just seems a little harsh. In Him, keliy |
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3 | naming and subordination | Gen 3:20 | azurelaw | 213416 | ||
Dear keliy, Thank you for your input. Much appreciated. Concerning the "ruling", I refer to v3:16b "...Yet your desire will be for your husband, And he will rule over you." God said this after they ate the forbidden fruit not before. If this does not render the idea of ruling power, how should we interpret this verse. Or should it be understood together with preceding one that the desire and love of the woman for her husband naturally posits the ruling power from the man over her? By the way, your point about God's relationship with the first-born (first animals and Adam) is helpful. Thanks. Shalom Azure P.S. Just to clarify, I am NOT a feminist :-) |
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4 | naming and subordination | Gen 3:20 | keliy | 213417 | ||
Thank you, Azure. No, I never pictured you as a feminist. (0: I guess what I was trying to say, was that your choice of words "ruling power" somehow rubbed me wrong. I guess you are right in the rule sense, but it is not with power that Adam possessed in himself, but he was to rule through the power that he received from God. Does this make more sense? We can relate this to king Solomon, who was offered anything he could possibly desire by God. Yet the one thing he asked for was the wisdom to rule God's people. -I think that was a request containing much wisdom, don't you? (o; joyful blessings, keliy |
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5 | naming and subordination | Gen 3:20 | azurelaw | 213425 | ||
Now, I see your point though it seemed a bit side-tracked from my intended question. No, I am not advocating that Adam possessed that power in him. I agree completely that all powers are originated from God, nothing else. Thanks again for the nice discussion:-) Shalom Azure |
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