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1 | Tree of life VS Tree of Knowledge | Gen 2:16 | terrib | 149754 | ||
Hi umagumadog, Concerning questions: "What would have happend if man had ate of the tree of life before he did the tree of knowledge? Man had Gods permision to eat from it so why didn't he?" Gen 2:16 And the LORD God commanded the man, saying, Of EVERY tree of the garden thou mayest freely eat: Gen 2:17 But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt NOT eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die. (Capitals are mine for enhancement.) Is there some Scriptural reference that says that man did NOT eat of the tree of life? Except AFTER their sin. terrib Interesting screen name, does it have some significance to you? |
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2 | prevent | Gen 2:16 | umagumadog | 149776 | ||
Well we are told that after man ate of the tree of knowledge God removed man from the garden and then God put angels round about it to protect it. So before man ate from the tree of knowledge man could have eaten from the tree of life but afterwards he could not and God also tell's us why they couldnt. The Bible doesn't tell us if man did or did not eat from the tree of life before eating of the tree of knowledge but sense they couldnt eat of the tree of life after eating from the tree of knowledge would have eating from the tree of life prevented man from eating of the tree of knowledge? | ||||||
3 | prevent | Gen 2:16 | terrib | 149780 | ||
Hi umagumadog, There weren't any angels involved. They were cherubims. A different heavenly creature than angels. Gen 3:24 So he drove out the man; and he placed at the east of the garden of Eden Cherubims, and a flaming sword which turned every way, to keep the way of the tree of life. Weather they ate of the tree of life or not wouldn't matter. God said don't eat of the tree of knowledge or you will die. If they ate of the tree of life and disobeyed they would die. If they did not eat of the tree of life and disobeyed they would die. It was the disobediance that brought the sin on them, not the tree of knowledge itself. Plus the Scriptures does not tells us if God even told Adam and Eve that there was a tree of life. So they may have been oblivious to it to begin with. Does that help? terrib |
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4 | prevent | Gen 2:16 | kalos | 149799 | ||
"What are cherubim? Are cherubs angels?" 'Answer: Cherubim / cherubs are angelic beings involved in the worship and praise of God. The cherubim are first mentioned in the Bible in Genesis 3:24, "After He drove the man out, He placed on the east side of the Garden of Eden cherubim and a flaming sword flashing back and forth to guard the way to the tree of life." Prior to his rebellion Satan was a cherub (Ezekiel 28:12-15). The tabernacle and temple along with their articles contained many representations of cherubim (Exodus 25:17-22; 26:1,31; 36:8; 1 Kings 6:23-35; 7:29-36; 8:6-7; 1 Chronicles 28:18; 2 Chronicles 3:7-14; 2 Chronicles 3:10-13; 5:7-8; Hebrews 9:5). 'Chapters 1 and 10 of the book of Ezekiel describe the "four living creatures" (Ezekiel 1:5) as the same beings as the cherubim (Ezekiel 10). Each had four faces-that of a man, a lion, an ox, and an eagle (Ezekiel 1:10; also 10:14) - and each had four wings. In their appearance, the cherubim "had the likeness of a man" (Ezekiel 1:5). These cherubim used two of their wings for flying and the other two for covering their bodies (Ezekiel 1:6,11,23). Under their wings the cherubim appeared to have the form, or likeness, of a man's hand (Ezekiel 1:8; 10:7-8,21). 'The imagery of Revelation 4:6-9 also seems to be describing cherubs. The cherubs served the purpose of magnifying the holiness and power of God. This is one of their main responsibilities throughout the Bible. In addition to singing God's praises, they also served as a visible reminder of the majesty and glory of God and His abiding presence with His people.' ____________________ http://www.gotquestions.org/cherubim.html * * * * * * * * * * * * * www.seekfind.org Christian Search Engine The mission of SeekFind.org is to provide God-honoring, Biblically-based, and theologically-sound Christian search engine results in a highly accurate and well-organized format. |
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5 | prevent | Gen 2:16 | terrib | 149801 | ||
Hey Kalos, "'Answer: Cherubim / cherubs are angelic beings" : No, they are Cherubimic beings. Unless by the term "angelic" it is meant heavenly. "Prior to his rebellion Satan was a cherub (Ezekiel 28:12-15)." Eze 28:12 "Son of man, take up a lamentation upon the king of Tyrus, and say unto him, Thus saith the Lord GOD;..." This is speaking of the king of Tyrus. Ezekiel 28:12-15 does not mention Satan. Come on Kalos, you know that is talking in a similtude. If we took that kind of allegory then God was a chicken for Scripture tell us : Psa 91:4 He shall cover thee with his feathers, and under his wings shalt thou trust: his truth shall be thy shield and buckler. 2Co 11:14 And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light. Where in Scripture does it say angels have wings? Where in Scripture does it say Cherubims are angels? Your brother, terrib |
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6 | prevent | Gen 2:16 | Morant61 | 149803 | ||
Greetings Terrib! The Ez. 28 passage seems to me to fall into the catagory of one of those passages about which one cannot be dogmatic either way. ;-) Here is what the Bible Knowledge Commentary says about this passage of Scripture: "Ezekiel was not describing an ideal man or a false god in verses 11-26. But his switch from ”ruler“ to ”king“ and his allusions to the Garden of Eden do imply that the individual being described was more than human. The best explanation is that Ezekiel was describing Satan who was the true ”king“ of Tyre, the one motivating the human ”ruler“ of Tyre. Satan was in the Garden of Eden (Gen. 3:1-7), and his chief sin was pride (1 Tim. 3:6). He also had access to God’s presence (cf. Job 1:6-12). Speaking of God’s judging the human ”ruler“ of Tyre for his pride (Ezek. 28:1-10), the prophet lamented the satanic ”king“ of Tyre who was also judged for his pride (vv. 11-19). Tyre was motivated by the same sin as Satan, and would suffer the same fate. Ezekiel described the beauty and perfection of Satan as God originally created him (vv. 12-15a). He was the model of perfection, full of wisdom, and perfect in beauty. God did not create Satan as some prime minister of evil. As with all God’s Creation, Satan was a perfectly created being—one of the crowning achievements in God’s angelic realm. Satan was given an exalted place; he was in Eden, the garden of God. Eden was the epitome of God’s beautiful Creation on earth (cf. Gen. 2:8-14). Satan’s beauty matched that of Eden: every precious stone adorned him. Ezekiel listed nine gemstones in describing Satan’s beauty. These were 9 of the 12 kinds of stones worn in the breastplate of Israel’s high priest (cf. Ex. 28:15-20; 39:10-13). The precious stones probably symbolized Satan’s beauty and high position. God had anointed Satan as a guardian cherub (Ezek. 28:14). The cherubim (pl. of cherub) were the ”inner circle“ of angels who had the closest access to God and guarded His holiness (cf. 10:1-14). Satan also had free access to God’s holy mount (28:14), heaven, and he walked among the fiery stones (cf. v. 16)...Whatever the exact identification, Ezekiel was stating that Satan had access to God’s presence. As originally created by God, Satan was blameless . . . till wickedness was found in him (Ezek. 28:15) and he sinned (v. 16). The sin that corrupted Satan was self-generated. Created blameless, his sin was pride (1 Tim. 3:6) because of his beauty. Satan spoiled his wisdom because of his splendor (cf. Ethbaal’s similar problem, Ezek. 28:1-2, 5, 7). Satan’s pride led to his fall and judgment. Though Ezekiel presented the fall of Satan as a single act, it actually occurred in stages. Satan’s initial judgment was his expulsion from the position of God’s anointed cherub before His throne. God expelled him from the mount of God (heaven, v. 16; cf. v. 14). Satan was cast from God’s government in heaven (cf. Luke 10:18) but was still allowed access to God (cf. Job 1:6-12; Zech. 3:1-2). In the Tribulation Satan will be cast from heaven and restricted to the earth (Rev. 12:7-13); in the Millennium he will be in the bottomless pit (Rev. 20:1-3); and after his brief release at the end of the Millennium (Rev. 20:7-9) he will be cast into the lake of fire forever (Rev. 20:10). One of the elements of Satan’s sin was his widespread dishonest trade. The word for trade comes from the verb raµk_al which means ”to go about from one to another.“ Ezekiel had used that noun in speaking of Tyre’s commercial activities (Ezek. 28:5). Does this mean Satan was operating a business? Obviously not. Instead, Ezekiel was comparing the human ”prince“ of Tyre and his satanic ”king.“ So Ezekiel used a word that could convey a broad meaning. Satan’s position in heaven involved broad contact with many elements of God’s creation much as the prince of Tyre’s position enabled him to contact many nations. Though Ezekiel was describing the ”ultimate“ ruler of Tyre, Satan, the purpose of the lament was to speak of the city’s destruction. So he began to blend the characteristics of the satanic king with the human ruler. Satan would be cast to the earth (v. 17), and the king of Tyre would also be cast down before other kings, his enemies. Satan’s ultimate destiny will be the lake of fire (cf. Rev. 21:10), and the defeat and death of the human ruler of Tyre was pictured as being consumed by fire (Ezek. 28:18). Both Satan’s and Tyre’s defeats would shock those nations who had followed them. They would be appalled because of Satan’s and Tyre’s horrible end (cf. 27:35-36)." Your Brother in Christ, Tim Moran |
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7 | prevent | Gen 2:16 | terrib | 149808 | ||
Hi Tim, Eze 28:11-19 1. What was the renown of the king of Tyre. He is here spoken of as having lived in great splendour, Eze 28:12-15. He as a man, but it is here owned that he was a very considerable man and one that made a mighty figure in his day. (1.) He far exceeded other men. He was looked upon to be as wise as the reason of men could make him, and as happy as the wealth of this world and the enjoyment of it could make him; in him you might see the utmost that both could do; and therefore seal up the sum, for nothing can be added; he is a complete man, perfect in suo genere - in his kind. (2.) He seemed to be as wise and happy as Adam in innocency (Eze 28:13): “Thou hast been in Eden, even in the garden of God; thou hast lived as it were in paradise all thy days, hast had a full enjoyment of every thing that is good for food or pleasant to the eyes, and an uncontroverted dominion over all about thee, as Adam had.” One instance of the magnificence of the king of Tyre is, that he outdid all others princes in jewels, which those have the greatest plenty of that trade most abroad, as he did: Every precious stone was his covering. There is a great variety of precious stones; but he had of every sort and in such plenty that besides what were treasured up in his cabinet, and were the ornaments of his crown, he had his clothes trimmed with them; they were his covering. Nay (Eze 28:14), he walked up and down in the midst of the stones of fire, that is, these precious stones, which glittered and sparkled like fire. His rooms were in a manner set round with jewels, so that he walked in the midst of them, and then fancied himself as glorious as if, like God, he had been surrounded by so many angels, who are compared to a flame of fire. And, if he be such an admirer of precious stones as to think them as bright as angels, no wonder that he is such an admirer of himself as to think himself as great as God. Nine several sorts of previous stones are here named, which were all in the high priest's ephod. Perhaps they are particularly named because he, in his pride, used to speak particularly of them, and tell those about him, with a great deal of foolish pleasure, “This is such a precious stone, of such a value, and so and so are its virtues.” Thus is he upbraided with his vanity. Gold is mentioned last, as far inferior in value to those precious stones; and he used to speak of it accordingly. Another thing that made him think his palace a paradise was the curious music he had, the tabrets and pipes, hand-instruments and wind-instruments. The workmanship of these was extraordinary, and they were prepared for him on purpose; prepared in thee, the pronoun is feminine - in thee, O Tyre! or it denotes that the king was effeminate in doting on such things. They were prepared in the day he was created, that is, either born, or created king; they were made on purpose to celebrate the joys either of his birthday or of his coronation-day. These he prided himself much in, and would have all that came to see his palace take notice of them. (3.) He looked like an incarnate angel (Eze 28:14): Thou art the anointed cherub that covers or protects; that is, he looked upon himself as a guardian angel to his people, so bright, so strong, so faithful, appointed to this office and qualified for it. Anointed kings should be to their subjects as anointed cherubim, that cover them with the wings of their power; and, when they are such, God will own them. Their advancement was from him: I have set thee so. Some think, because mention was made of Eden, that it refers to the cherub set on the east of Eden to cover it, Gen 3:24. He thought himself as able to guard his city from all invaders as that angel was for his charge. Or it may refer to the cherubim in the most holy place, whose wings covered the ark; he thought himself as bright as one of them. (4.) He appeared in as much splendour as the high priest when he was clothed with his garments for glory and beauty: “Thou wast upon the holy mountain of God, as president of the temple built on that holy mountain; thou didst look as great, and with as much majesty and authority, as ever the high priest did when he walked in the temple, which was garnished with precious stones (2Ch 3:6), and had his habit on, which had precious stones both in the breast and on the shoulders; in that he seemed to walk in the midst of the stones of fire.” Thus glorious is the king of Tyre; at least he thinks himself so. - Matthew Henry's Commentary on the Whole Bible - So from commentary to commentary we go. One about Satan and the other not. :-) 1Co 13:12 "For now we see through a glass, darkly..." Red is gray and yellow white, But we decide which is right. And which is an illusion? - Moody Blues Your brother, terrib |
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8 | prevent | Gen 2:16 | Morant61 | 149811 | ||
Greetings Terrib! You just proved my point my friend - one cannot be dogmatic about this passage! ;-) You wrote to Kalos: "Come on Kalos, you know that is talking in a similtude." We don't know any such thing. Some view it as refering to just the king of Tyre. Some view it as a reference to Adam. Some view it as a reference to the pagan god of Tyre. Others, view it as a reference to Satan. So, how can anyone know with certainty? :-) However, I do think that the Bible Knowledge Commentary makes some good points that need to be addressed if one is going to claim that Ez. 28 is a reference to a human king. I also note that Matthew Henry's comments don't always line up with what the text actually says. For instance, he claims that the king of Tyre 'looked like an angel'. Where does the text say that he looked like an angel? It says he was an angel. :-) Just some food for thought! Your Brother in Christ, Tim Moran |
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9 | prevent | Gen 2:16 | terrib | 149818 | ||
Hi Tim, I agree, Tim, that is why they are called commentaries. We will know when we get there. I believe it has been said not to chase after endless geneologies. Interesting though, isn't it? :-) Isn't God Great? Rev 22:17 And the Spirit and the bride say, Come. And let him that heareth say, Come. And let him that is athirst come. And whosoever will, let him take the water of life freely. Your brother, terrib |
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