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1 | A seeming difference: Gen. 24:8 and 41? | Gen 24:41 | epbentley | 139900 | ||
I appreciate your insight on the marriage. As for the angel/Angel, I'm still not quite persuaded, since "God" in 31:11 is 'elohiym, but "God" in 31:13 is merely 'el, which, while it *can* mean the one true God, can also mean mighty one, angels, false god, mighty things in nature, or even just power. It seems the 'el of Bethel might just as easily be sort of a guardian angel with authority over that place. I don't find any other reference where God calls himself the 'el of a place (2 Chronicles 32:19, is the 'elohiym of Jerusalem and Ezra 7:19 is the 'elahh of Jerusalem, but in any case, Jerusalem, unlike Bethel, is frequently symbolic of the people, see Jeremiah 4:14). But if you have other references in support of your point, I'd like to know. Your ideas are certainly stimulating, and I'm glad I found the forum. epbentley |
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2 | A seeming difference: Gen. 24:8 and 41? | Gen 24:41 | Ray | 139921 | ||
Hi epbentley, I offer Hosea 12:4 as another supporting passage for the choice of "Angel". I often compare the NASB and the NKJ since they are translations that capitalize pronouns of Deity. However, they both have a flaw in my mind in regard to literary style of capitalizing after semicolons. This style sometimes confuses. Hosea 12:4, NASB, "Yes, he wrestled with the angel [sic] and prevailed; He [confusing literary style because it is speaking of the man Jacob] wept and sought His favor. He found Him at Bethel, And there He spoke with us, 5 Even the Lord, the God of hosts; The Lord is His name." Hosea 12:4, NKJ, "Yes, he struggled with the Angel and prevailed; He [the man Jacob] wept, and sought favor from Him. He [Jacob] found Him in Bethel, And there He spoke to us--5 That is, the Lord God of hosts. The Lord is His memorial name." The NASB lower case "angel" does not agree with the upper case "sought His favor", so I go with the NKJ. Both the NASB and the NKJ say that He spoke with us and recognized Him as the Lord, the God of hosts. The Lord is His name. Jacob contended with God; yes he struggled with the Angel. He struggled with the Man. Genesis 32:24, NASB, "Then Jacob was left alone, and a man [sic] wrestled with him until daybreak." Genesis 32:24, NKJ, "Then Jacob was left alone; and a Man [sic] wrestled with him until the breaking of day." Jacob wanted to know this Man's name. Jacob asked the Angel, "Please tell me Your name." But He said, "Why is it that you ask My name?" And He blessed him there. Jacob recognized that he had seen God face to face, yet his life was preserved. From the heart, Ray |
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3 | A seeming difference: Gen. 24:8 and 41? | Gen 24:41 | epbentley | 140070 | ||
Interesting take. Thanks. epbentley |
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