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1 | Is It Human to Sin? | Gen 1:27 | Lookn4ward2Heavn | 188045 | ||
The Bible teaches that man was created by God to be like Him. Therefore, man was created without sin or a sin "nature". However, many times you will hear the preacher, referring to Christians, say, "We sin all the time." And adds as the reason or basis for this: "We're only human." My question: If God created humankind without sin, would not Christians be behaving more like humans when they do not sin? |
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2 | Is It Human to Sin? | Gen 1:27 | jlhetrick | 188089 | ||
Lookn, You have contributed some very questionable posts to the Forum since your registering as a member. Like others, I'm not quite sure how to receive your questions. At times I have the sense that you are trying to create a pot to stir for your own joy of watching it swirl. At other times I wonder if you might be posting illegally (as in not meeting the age requirements –at least 18 yoa). In either case or something very different please allow me to offer a bit of advice. If you are sitting under the teachings of a preacher that believes that as Christians “we sin all the time” and then minimizes or excuses that with something as ridiculous as “we’re only human” you need to very seriously consider finding a church where the pastor uses Scripture for the basis of his messages. Really, consider whether you’re in the right place. Jeff |
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3 | Is It Human to Sin? | Gen 1:27 | Lookn4ward2Heavn | 188306 | ||
Jeff, Haven't you heard, in passing, whether by a preacher or someone else something to the effect that we are only human and, therefore, can be expected to sin? I agree, such a statement does minimize and excuse sin. But why? Is it your position that Christians do not sin all the time, everyday? Is it your position that our created humanity has no bearing on our sinfulness? I ask questions with a view to discussion on certain points that I find interesting and wish to know if there are others with similar views. My intention is not to "stir the pot" or "an effort to foster divisiveness, ill-will, dissension or other disruptions" but to "sharpen iron with iron," primarily to either sharpen or change those views that I hold. Also, I may be misunderstanding another's views and discussions help to clarify understanding. I will admit, it seems to me that my views are not held by the majority. If the pot swirls, at it has for some, it is not - as far as I can see - my doing; it may be that some need to learn how to neither judge the questioner without warrant or feel threatened when certain questions are asked. As far as question I asked is concerned, it seems, one reason why I think we are behaving less than human - not as a human - when we sin is because God did not create mankind with the intention of their sinning against him; he made them without a sin nature although with a free will that makes the committal of sin possible. As such, as I see it, man does not sin because he is "human" but because he has "inherited" what is outside his nature as created, that is (what others call), a "sin nature". What got me thinking this way was my reading of Packer's (in 1973) quoting Baxter with reference to sin, writes that sin "does not make you more of a man, but less so; it brutalises you and tears you to pieces...We are only living truly human lives just as far as we are labouring to keep God's commandments; no further" (Knowing God, p.103). |
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4 | Is It Human to Sin? | Gen 1:27 | jlhetrick | 188314 | ||
Hello lookn…, Thank you for making your intentions more clear. The way you describe asking questions on the forum can be appreciated as long as those questions aren’t “loaded”. My statements about the pot stirring were specific to the clear, public record of your posts. It appears that a lot of members have had questions about your intentions. No offense was or is intended. Consider this though. I have always heard it said (something like this) that if a person has a problem with someone else, and then with a different someone and then with a different someone, it should become obvious at some point that it’s not everyone else that has the problem. So if the pot seems to always, or regularly stir around your posts, you might consider changing it up a bit. In answer to your question the answer is no. I have never heard a preacher say that we sin because we’re only human. And yes it is my position that true Christians do not “sin all the time everyday”. Christians do sin (I certainly do) but not “all the time”. All the time is as good as saying that it is my lifestyle. It is not my lifestyle to sin. Scripture says that it is not the lifestyle of any Christian to “sin all the time, every day”. Heb 10:26 ESV 26 For if we go on sinning deliberately after receiving the knowledge of the truth, there no longer remains a sacrifice for sins, Heb 10:19-23 ESV 19 Therefore, brothers, since we have confidence to enter the holy places by the blood of Jesus, 20 by the new and living way that he opened for us through the curtain, that is, through his flesh, 21 and since we have a great priest over the house of God, 22 let us draw near with a true heart in full assurance of faith, with our hearts sprinkled clean from an evil conscience and our bodies washed with pure water. 23 Let us hold fast the confession of our hope without wavering, for he who promised is faithful. God bless, Jeff |
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5 | Is It Human to Sin? | Gen 1:27 | Lookn4ward2Heavn | 188338 | ||
1. Upon noticing many taking offense at my questions, I have been making attempts to avoid "stirring the pot"; but, also, keep in mind that what you would have me consider (I've said precisely that many times to others) is not true in all cases; sometimes the majority is the problem. 2. Now, considering my initial question regarding if it is human to sin...what are your thoughts? |
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6 | Is It Human to Sin? | Gen 1:27 | jlhetrick | 188340 | ||
Lookn.., Thank you for making the attempt. Regarding your "initial" question, I did offer my thoughts in the previous response. Don't have much more to add on the topic, sorry. God bless, Jeff |
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7 | Is It Human to Sin? | Gen 1:27 | Lookn4ward2Heavn | 188376 | ||
Jeff, Your position as stated: "true Christians do not 'sin all the time, everyday'." 1. This assertion, it is assumed, is not limited to deeds. 2. Such a view also assumes the possibility for a Christian to spend (at least) one day without sinning either in word, thought, attitude, or deed. |
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8 | Is It Human to Sin? | Gen 1:27 | jlhetrick | 188422 | ||
Lookn4, Any assumption is on your part my friend. I offered a sound biblical response to your question which included scriptural reference. My "view" didn't "assume" anything; it was simply a statement of belief in what God's word says. The parameters were placed by you afterward and I might add a far cry from where you began. It's interesting that you could end at such a place in no more than three lines. The question was "do Christians sin all the time, everyday". You greatly reduced your premise to "the possibility for a Christian to spend (at least) one day without sinning either in word, thought, attitude, or deed". Then you imply that the two are the same thing. They are not. So your first challenge is to decide which question you want to ask. Once decided, you face the awesome responsibility of accepting what God's word has to say on the matter. Some helpful advise. It is neither edifying or productive to ask a question, receive sound biblical guidance on that question, and then try to refute that biblical guidance by rewording your question in a reduced format. Hope this is helpful to you, Jeff |
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9 | Is It Human to Sin? | Gen 1:27 | Lookn4ward2Heavn | 188495 | ||
Jeff, 1. Of course that is my assumption. Is sin in the Bible limited to deeds? If not, then my question would regard sin as all inclusive, that is, sin in word, thought, attitude, and/or deed? You responded, "...true Christians do not 'sin all the time, everyday'. Christians do sin (I certainly do) but not 'all the time'. All the time is as good as saying that it is my lifestyle. It is not my lifestyle to sin. Scripture says that it is not the lifestyle of any Christian to 'sin all the time, every day'." Now, if a genuine Christian does not sin - that is sin in all its forms as discussed above - all the time, everyday, it would appear that there is the possibility that a genuine Christian can spend, at the least, a whole day without sinning. If not, then, it seems to me that a genuine Christian is sinning all the time, everyday. Maybe the phrase "all the time" is confusing. I do not mean every single second (that's why I added "everyday"). What I do mean by "all the time" is the committal of sin - any sin - on a daily basis wherein not one day passes without having engaged in some form of sin, whether in in word, thought, attitude, or deed. 2. As far as your "Biblical guidance", you asserted that "Scripture says that it is not the lifestyle of any Christian to 'sin all the time, every day'," and merely cited Heb 10:26 and 10:19-23. You failed to demonstrate how the verses show your position is valid. 3. Now, if it is agreed that it is the lifestyle of a genuine Christian to not sin, then my question, I don't think, is out of place. If the genuine Christian's lifestyle is to not sin but rather be obedient to God, is it possible that a genuine Christian can be obedient for, at least, a whole day? I was not "rewording" the first question but asking another question based on your response. However, I may have missed something. Please clarify for me how my question is "a far cry from where you began". |
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10 | Is It Human to Sin? | Gen 1:27 | jlhetrick | 188544 | ||
Lookin4, Friend, I have tried, with great effort, to remain cordial and be helpful but I'm afraid I'm at a point where I feel a stronger priority to put a stop to you nonsense. What you are attempting is referred to as "circular reasoning" and I must write honestly and say, you’re not even slightly good at it. You’re not dealing with second graders on the forum. You can continue to adjust and readjust your question (statement, position, opinion- or whatever we're to call it at this point) until eventually you will have a position that you can sufficiently qualify with Scripture. I guess the problem with my assumption here though is that you haven’t attempted to apply your question to Scripture or Scripture to your question. Furthermore, when someone quotes Scripture that specifically address your question and you respond with referring to it as “merely citing”; your, well, I’m not sure where you are. It’s not bible study. So far off the mark regarding an appropriate approach to bible study that I'm not even sure where to start in an attempt to get you situated. Here is the problem. You cannot begin with an assumption, position, opinion, etc. and then approach Scripture in an attempt to prove your theory. It's circular. It doesn't work. Scripture is not established by your doctrine (or mine) but rather, our doctrine needs to be established by Scripture. You have missed this so completely that the best advice I might offer is that you drop this issue completely (for the time being) and move on to something more productive. God bless, Jeff |
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