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1 | What are we saved from? | Ps 86:13 | Wild Olive Shoot | 171747 | ||
I have a question. Please bear with me, as I’m fairly certain it has probably been put forth to the forum at some time, in some fashion, in the past but I’m really interested in current opinions. After all, I am somewhat familiar, or as familiar as I can be, with the current participants and have some sort of sense of where it is they are coming from. Concerning all the discussion as of late and to whether or not “Hell” is an eternal place of torment or merely a made up Christian scare tactic: Are we not granted salvation being in Christ? Just what are we saved from if not the tremendous agony of an everlasting existence in a pit of flames and torture, forever separated from a loving God? Is it to be expected that if Hell is merely the grave and those not saved are simply “non-existent” upon their physical death that Christ saved us only from ceasing to exist? Is that what some would have us believe? That Christ suffered and died for us so that we would not stop existing. To cease to exist, would for some I imagine, be a more hopeful end to the trials and tribulations of this current world we reside in. Salvation from that doesn’t seem to be such a great reality to look forward to. However, eternity in the presence of God compared to the flames of Hell, that seems to be something to long for, more like being saved. What is the hope of our salvation if not to avoid the dreadful and unimaginable despair? Why would our Lord have to die for anything less? He loves us that much to keep from the depths of Hell. Would He care to place such a heavy burden upon Himself just to keep us from “non-existence”? His love for us seems somewhat diminished when we are made to believe that His sacrifice wasn’t that great. As great as His love is for us, and as great as His sacrifice was for us, I have to surmise that the end without all of that must be a great and horrific end. Otherwise, why bother? Eternal torment or non-existence; which of these would logically require the greater sacrifice, or rather, the greatest sacrifice? Thoughts? WOS Psalm 86:13 For great is thy mercy toward me: and thou hast delivered my soul from the lowest hell. WOS |
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2 | What are we saved from? | Ps 86:13 | mark d seyler | 171748 | ||
Hi WOS, I find that I don't prefer one doctrine over the other, in the sense that I think one "should" be true, or more likely to be true. Psalm 86 is good to quote in rejoicing over what we have gained. There are a couple of Scriptures that come to my mine in considering you question. The first is Matthew 1:21 "And she will bear a son, and you shall call His name Jesus, for He shall save His people from their sins." And so what Jesus saves us from is our sins. Whether the eternal suffering of the lake of fire (which I believe the Bible teaches), or "merely" a guilty conscience until an annihilating death (which I do not believe), these are the consequences of the sin that Jesus came to save us from. The main consequence of sin is separation from God. The next Scripture I think of is, without quoting it, Eph. 1:3-14, which, if I understand it correctly, tells us that what God wants is family, and so He saved us to be His children. So I believe God saved us from our sins, so that we could be His children. Since the wage of sin is death, Jesus paid the price, and died. I believe it is important to know what the option to eternal life with our loving God is, and the Bible tells us that it forever, and its very very bad. But whether or not it makes "more sense" to me for there to be an eternal hell or not, well, since when did it matter to the truth of the Bible whether or not one such as I happened to find a particular concept understandable, sensical, or anything else? So those are my thought, in a nutshell. I will be interested to read what others answer. God bless! Love in Christ, Mark |
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