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1 | Are all at the white throne judg. lost? | Revelation | CDBJ | 35982 | ||
Are you saying that because the law of double jeopardy isn't spilled out in the Bible that it isn't implied? If that is the case, and if you believe it, maybe God will change his mind and judge you for your sins after all, I hope not. The FACT that Jesus Christ paid for the sins of the world implies a judgment call from God on behalf of the human race. As for believers being at the white throne judgment as you claim, all believers are passed from death unto life. John 5:24 "Most assuredly, I say to you, he who hears My word and believes in Him who sent Me has everlasting life, and shall not come into judgment, but has passed from death into life. All those at this judgment, according to John, are of the dead. The basis for the indictment at the white throne isn't sin, as so many assume, but works. The word sin isn't even mentioned in the verses in question. Rev. 20:12-13 And I saw the dead, small and great, standing before God, and books were opened. And another book was opened, which is the Book of Life. And the dead were judged according to their works, by the things which were written in the books. 13The sea gave up the dead who were in it, and Death and Hades delivered up the dead who were in them. And they were judged, each one according to his works. There are literally hundreds of thousands of people that assume that because they have lived a pretty good life, according to their standard, that they should be entitled to heaven. This is where they will find out just how good they really are compared to Jesus and what God looks at as the standard for eternal life. Two categories of books were open, one for the living and one for the dead. It is interesting to note that it took more then one book for the dead to be judged, it doesn't say how many but it was more then one. There are a lot of good religious people in this group that didn't truly trust in the finished work of God's Christ, Jesus, emphasis on small and great. Matthew 7:13-14 "Enter by the narrow gate; for wide is the gate and broad is the way that leads to destruction, and there are many who go in by it. 14Because narrow is the gate and difficult is the way which leads to life, and there are few who find it. All of the believers are in one book, the book of life, but those at this judgment were judged according to their works out of the books. In effect they are stacking up all of their good works and deeds against the work that Jesus Christ performed on the cross and they are found wanting or on the light side of the scales of justice. One of the interesting things that I noticed is that they are standing before God. The Bible doesn't say at this point but I would say that not long after this they all hit their knees. As for the judgment for believers the Bible say that we will appear at the judgment seat of Christ. 2 Cor. 5:10 For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ, that each one may receive the things done in the body, according to what he has done, whether good or bad. The we in the verse is a ref. to believers and again the issue isn't sin by works, Jesus has already paid for our sins, that is not to say that we won't be dealt if we sin but the reprimand is handed out on this side of the grave. Hebrews 12:6 For whom the LORD loves He chastens, And scourges every son whom He receives." I don't know about you but I have been to the woodshed several times!! As for the last part of your question, do I fear God, you better believe I do, but he is my dad now and it is a different kind of fear; he will do what is best for me. I am not scared of Him because he is my Savior and protector now. |
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2 | Are all at the white throne judg. lost? | Revelation | Jesusman | 36018 | ||
Hello, My reason why I asked about whether or not the Double Jeapardy law is int the Bible is because I didn't remember seeing it in the Bible. I thought that it was an American political law that was developed. That's all. Look at Revelation 20:11-15 again. John clearly says that "the dead" appeared before the throne. Now, if this was only the non-saved, then why go through and separate them by looking in the Book of Life. They would all be non-saved people. Looking into the Book of Life would be a waste of time. However, we have the parables that reflect this time from Jesus. As I listed in my previous post, Jesus says that all of mankind will be gathered together, then separated. Just as Revelation 20 points out. Now, we, the saved, still pass on into Life after the judgement due to our names being in the Book of Life. It is our actions that are judged, as the passage reveals. It is the non-saved who will be judged twice. Once for their actions and a second for their souls. As a result, the non-saved will be thrown into the Lake of Fire as a punishment. As for the Judgement seat of Christ, this is also the Great White Throne, or Final Judgement. Both the Judgement Seat and the Great White Throne are wrapped up into one single event, the Final Judgement. As for your comment about Jesus' sacrifice being a judgement call from God upon the Human race, I must disagree slightly. It wasn't just a judgement against Man, but a payment for Sin. The price of Sin must have been paid. Sin was already judged as a violation, and man was already judged as being a criminal long before Jesus died on the Cross. God's speach to Adam and Eve just after they sinned is a clear sign that Mankind and sin was already judged as a whole. The final judgement is a one on one basis, if you will. Why would God have sent the Law if he already didn't have a judgement against Mankind? Noah's Ark and the Great Flood is a Judgement against Man. The Plagues in Egypt is a judgement call from God. The Exile in Babylon and Persia was a judgement call from God. God's cursing of David shortly after the affair with Bathsheba was a judgement by God. The Bible is filled with times where God has judged mankind whether it be as a whole, as a nation, or individually. The Great white throne is the last judgement that God will ever make against mankind. The Final Judgement is not a payment for Sin. That was done with Chist on the Cross. The Final Judgement is against man alone. A judgement against his actions during his life when all of his deeds will be made public, both private deeds and obvious deeds. Jesusman |
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3 | Empty Justification? | Revelation | charis | 36047 | ||
Dear Jesusman, Greetings to you in Jesus' name! I am a bit confused by this post. Are you saying that the work on the Cross is but general payment for sin, but there is no specific (personal) payment *applied* or *activated* until this final judgement? So where is justification? Would this mean that we are 'counted as righteous' as only possible or potential? With all due respect, this sounds suspiciously similar to the 'Bean-Counter in Heaven' God that was proposed to me when I first got saved. A brother said something to the effect that our salvation experience was nothing but a 'trial offer' through which we might make it to the 'finals' but only a few made to the 'podium.' Sounds like the Olympics! :-) You cited several Biblical 'judgements' in your post. Are these also 'preliminaries?' Are the saints of the Old Testament and New Testament still not assured of their salvation? Or do we have a 'voucher' that assures us that we WILL pass the test, but it is just not yet 'finalized.' (quote from D.D.Eisenhower, "My conclusion is not yet finalized." This statement was considered to be governmental gobbledegook) I look forward to your answer. Peace in Christ Jesus, charis |
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4 | Empty Justification? | Revelation | CDBJ | 36051 | ||
Hi Charis, I think that you are starting to sense the same thing that I did, that's why I quit. There are many who will not listen to sound doctrine, even if numerous amounts of Scripture run counter to what they believe or have been taught. Some things can become so entrenched in a person's mind that nothing short of a miracle can dislodge it. Maybe that is why the Bible calls it being noble when a person has an open mind then proves everything out with Scripture! Acts 17:11 These were more noble than those in Thessalonica, in that they received the word with all readiness of mind, and searched the scriptures daily, whether those things were so. Some times one feels like they are beating their head on a brick wall when the truth is so obvious and people can't see it; I guess that is why it's called a forum. Yours in Christ, CDBJ |
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