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1 | Snatch? | Hebrews | jg8ball | 1179 | ||
Thanks for your response charis. I am taking the point that it is possible for a saved person to renounce their salvation while my friend bjanko believes that would be impossible. I've asked bjanko how he would interpret 2 Peter 2:20, but as of yet, he refuses to. I would also like to hear your interpretation though. I've read many of your postings and respect your opinions. |
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2 | When are we saved? | Hebrews | charis | 1186 | ||
When are we saved? This seems to be the axis of the merry-go-round. I guess from God's point of view that we are saved from the eternal past to the eternal (glorious) future. Here, where I am now, I tend to think of my salvation experience starting (initially) when the gospel was presented to my heart for appraisal. Then there is the point at which I confessed that Jesus Christ is Lord of my life and Lord of all. (Here, there are many 'formulae' some of which are just plain legalistic and based on the traditions of man, and some that smack of 'cheap grace,' i.e. "After you repeat after me this little prayer, you are saved, born again, filled-with-the-Spirit, forever sinless, and going-to-heaven-no matter-what." I find these both a bit extreme. (Especially when someone is counting the 'decisions-for-Christ' for boasting in their pulpits and newsletters) Then there is the 'battle,' the 'race,' the 'walk.' I like to call this the Christian life. I consider this the present-day pilgrimage, the "...work out your salvation with fear and trembling;" of Philippians 2:12. I consider this to be a valid portion of our salvation experience. I understand that to someone who considers salvation to be an absolute in God's eyes, this smacks of 'works,' but the Bible does seem to say that we participate, though certainly all glory goes to God in Christ Jesus. In this life, I think you are right, a saved person can 'attempt' to renounce their salvation, and theoretically, could 'achieve' it by blaspheming the Holy Spirit. Indeed, many 'backsliders' or 'fallen' would appear to have accomplished the feat, at least on the surface. The reality is beyond what we can know for certain. Personally, I prefer to deal with real, normal people in the here-and-now. To tell them that they are (maybe) elected, but you have to wait until you die to find out for sure, is destabilizing for many people. It gives them no hope to overcome the sin that dogs them. They can say, "I guess I'm not saved after all," and give up serving the Lord. It also makes those who consider themselves to be 'relatively' sinless to get arrogant. On the other hand, the 'popular' Christianity of the day proclaims salvation to those who have shown absolutely no "fruit of repentance." They say, "I'm a baby on Daddy's knee," and never even attempt to grow in Christ. They continually sin from every 'orifice' of their being, at the same time being told by 'feel-good ministers' that they are perfect in every way. I tend to be wary of people who make 'decisions for Christ' almost every weekend. After all that 'preaching,' I will answer your question. It appears that 2 Peter 2:20 and the context are speaking of those who have believed in Jesus, but returned to their old ways, becoming even worse than before knowing Jesus. Though I agree that it speaks of 'renouncing' their salvation, only God knows if they truly 'lost' it. "But the righteousness based on faith speaks thus, "Do not say in your heart, 'Who will ascend into heaven?' (that is, to bring Christ down), or' Who will descend into the abyss?' (that is, to bring Christ up from the dead)." Romans 10:6,7 NASB Instead, I simply try to pursue Christ, speak Christ, and portray Christ. I pray this helps any who read. In Jesus' name. |
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3 | When are we saved? | Hebrews | bjanko | 1188 | ||
But I would again add, the verse is summed up in the next verse were this state is referred to as the "way of righteousness." I do not see that "way of righteousness" and being saved from hell are necessarily the same thing. On the way to salvatiion, you confront this righteous way; but not all necessarily complete the journey to where they are securely saved. |
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4 | When are we 'securely' saved? | Hebrews | charis | 1195 | ||
When are we 'securely' saved? Dear friends on both sides, indeed, this question is a bit too 'theological' or 'religious' for this simple soul. As I interpret the Bible, we, as beings bound by time and flesh, cannot KNOW 'securely saved.' We can only discuss eternity in theory. However, we CAN hope and believe in salvation in Christ Jesus today, here. In the Holy Spirit, I can 'know' I am saved by grace, but the 'Final' outcome is in His hands. With this I am at peace, absolutely sure that God is just. My point is that doctrinal or theological 'rightness' does not excuse us from misleading God's people into spiritual arrogance or casual 'feelings' faith. A good balance of study and experience seem to be in order. Finally, to address the above answer, I find it 'a bit of a stretch' to say that the 'knowledge of God' and 'way of righteousness' do not speak 'necessarily' of salvation. Blessing and peace in Jesus' name. | ||||||
5 | When are we 'securely' saved? | Hebrews | jg8ball | 1199 | ||
We are "securely" saved when we enter Heaven. Although I can safely say that I am saved now and can't imagine that changing, I don't know my future. |
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6 | When are we 'securely' saved? | Hebrews | charis | 1209 | ||
Amen, friend! I agree with both statements. The first came from the mind, a result of study and logic. The second comes from the heart, with honesty and humility. In Jesus. | ||||||
7 | When are we 'securely' saved? | Hebrews | dougboy777 | 16809 | ||
Just a quick, "Praise God" for jg8ball and Charis. Both level-headed and humble souls. | ||||||