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1 | I agree with you 100 percent. But... | Hebrews | jg8ball | 1130 | ||
I must disagree with you. I think a person could renounce their salvation - although I don't know why one would. Please see my posting to JVH0212 starting "Sorry JVH0212, but I can't ..." for biblical references |
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2 | I agree with you 100 percent. But... | Hebrews | bjanko | 1143 | ||
Well, I was just wondering what your reply was. I do not believe a person could renounce their salvation. After all, the verse does say "no one" can snatch them out; and if you try to leave, then you are merely trying to snatch yourself out. If someone else can't pull you out, how could you possibly manage to jump out on your own? Of course, you don't know why anyone would renounce their salvation because those who are saved have a new heart and they are glad to be saved and grateful. The person who renounces their salvation merely shows evidence he was never saved to begin with. But anyway, I have also had this conversation with someone else somewhere around this forum and you can read that as well, if you like. |
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3 | I agree with you 100 percent. But... | Hebrews | jg8ball | 1163 | ||
To answer why a person would renounce there salvation, I guess I'd have to say because we are forgetfull people when it comes to all the great things God has done for us. It could be really easy for a saved person to forget the love of God and be drawn back to the temptations of the world. To give an Old Testament example, look at the exodus from Egypt. Look at all God did for the Hebrews and look at how many times they still complained and wanted to turn back. I believe many would have turned back if it were not for Moses and Aaron consistantly reminding them of God's promise and Love. The same is true today. We need to encourage one another and remind each other daily of God's love so that no one has the opportunity to turn back to the world. | ||||||
4 | I agree with you 100 percent. But... | Hebrews | bjanko | 1164 | ||
Wow! NO ONE can snatch us out of the Father's hand -- that sounds like He has a pretty good grip on us; but somehow we can just happen to "somehow" forget our way into hell. Very strange way to look at it, indeed! | ||||||
5 | I agree with you 100 percent. But... | Hebrews | jg8ball | 1167 | ||
To put that verse in context, Jesus is talking to non-believers and telling them that there is nothing you can do to snatch the saved out of the Father's hand. It's telling us that as long as we chose to believe then nothing can prevent us from being saved. 2 Peter 2:20 states very clearly that it is possible to lose your salvation. |
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6 | I agree with you 100 percent. But... | Hebrews | bjanko | 1170 | ||
Well, that's not what the verse actually says, but I suppose you can believe whatever you like. | ||||||
7 | I agree with you 100 percent. But... | Hebrews | jg8ball | 1171 | ||
I'd love to hear your interpretation of what you think 2 Peter 2:20 is saying then. | ||||||
8 | I agree with you 100 percent. But... | Hebrews | bjanko | 1172 | ||
There would be no point, because you would just proceed to tell me that what is in the text is really not there, read your own meaning into it, and then insist that the context supported your view, even though it clearly didn't. I believe you are more committed to your own views than to the text. |
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9 | I agree with you 100 percent. But... | Hebrews | jg8ball | 1174 | ||
I assume then because you refuse to interpret the verse then you are admitting that it does not hold with what you believe to be true so you just ignore it. That's a real good way of studying the Bible. If I assume wrong, then please tell me how you would interpret it. I really would like to know because I can't seen any other legitimate way. I'm not saying there isn't another way, just that I don't see it. Also, for your information, I do think that there are many verses (ideas) that can be interpreted multiple ways and I am open to them. |
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10 | I agree with you 100 percent. But... | Hebrews | bjanko | 1176 | ||
That's funny. I told you EXPLICITLY that I believe you care more about your own opinion rather than what the text actually says. Now, you write back "assuming" that I will not discourse for some other reason. You took my explicit statements and twisted them around. I will gladly discourse about any text; but I will no longer discourse with you because you not only turn Scripture inside out as it pleases you, but you turn my own words around. You take things as you like to see them. I do not believe you are sincere, but merely want to bait me into a conversation where you can expound your own views. So forget it. |
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11 | I agree with you 100 percent. But... | Hebrews | jg8ball | 1178 | ||
I'm sorry you feel that way. You could not be further from the truth. How can one learn if they are not open to other ideas and willing to discuss their points? And yes, you told me EXPLICITLY that you believe I care more about... but you were wrong. If I left it alone there, you would have again made a false interpretation. If you noted in my posting, I said I assumed that was the case and also said that I may have assumed wrong. |
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12 | I agree with you 100 percent. But... | Hebrews | bjanko | 1184 | ||
Well, I'm sorry if I have offended you. I do not mean to assume anything. But I also do not see that there is much to be gained in discussing the predestination/freewill issue with you, since our feet our firmly planted on opposite sides. Maybe on some other issue, we will be able to discuss things more fruitfully. Many regards. | ||||||