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1 | No hope for unity of faith? | Hebrews | EveryHome | 1390 | ||
Another good insight or two by charis. The model for "the church" in newly evangelized places in this world seldom follow the American approach unless it is a church planted by a denomination. Generally you will find the "house church" or as one ministry as started all over this world... "Christ Groups". These begin to function as true churches in my opinion. Your dream is already coming true in many places in the world charis. India, China, Nepal are prime examples with much evidence available. I don't know what you are doing with your life but, and I wouldn't be surprised if you are already working in full-time ministry, you should think about examining some of these wonderful evidences of the truth of your dream and comments. The Lord is going to receive the glory... no matter how hard the church tries to get it! Until then. | ||||||
2 | 5-fold, what do they DO? | Hebrews | charis | 1410 | ||
Amen! EveryHome. I did not expand my thoughts regarding the exhortations in Ephesians 4, but if you don't mind, I will here. The question about these 'five-fold' ministers is not how we 'translate' their Ministry into modern language, but ask, "What do they DO?" An apostle is a "...person(s) sent out by churches on special errands..." Ungers Bible Dictionary. He is a servant between churches. NOT a 'capital"A"' Apostle, a boss, a ruler, or the top of the ladder. The servant part goes for all ministries in the church. Prophets should prophesy God's relevant, living word to those God sends him to. Evangelists should bring forth the Good News, not just to the unsaved, but to those who have not yet become able to live it. Pastors should shepherd the flock, and I mean KNOW them. Teachers should teach the things of God, not just Sunday School, but wherever God sends them. I do believe that when the above ministry returns to the church, we will be closer to the unity of the faith. Friend, I agree that this is happening in many places. And I know that there are many, many servants in His church in America, but it is obvious to this 'outsider' that the church is full of arrogant 'ladder-climbers' and seekers of fame and fortune 'for the glory of God.' Recognizing these 'false' teachers and prophets will bring simplicity and humility and unity to the church. In case you haven't noticed, I preach about 'spiritual unity' now and then :-) In Christ Jesus. |
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3 | 5-fold, what do they DO? | Hebrews | RCSCROLL | 1423 | ||
Wonderfull that is what we are to do unity, ? are all prophets are all apostles, rhetorical it demands an answer. Jesus said in Luke 16:16 the law and the prophets were until john the baptist.Now the office of a prophet exhorts , lifts up and edifys the flock of God. there are only 12 apostles Rev 21:14 names of them the twelve apostles, remember for no other foundation can any man lay. love in Christ rcscroll Th.M | ||||||
4 | 0-fold ministry? | Hebrews | charis | 1427 | ||
Dear rcscroll, Then Paul was saying what? 3-fold ministry? Paul called himself an apostle 16 times, so he was at least number 14 after Matthias. Then there was Barnabas, Andronicus, Junias, and James, the Lord's brother. Jesus was a prophet after John the baptist. In Acts 15, Judas and Silas are called prophets, and Paul speaks of prophets and prophecy as for the church in 1 Corinthians and Ephesians. Shall we also do away with 'pastors,' as the word only occurs once? 'Evangelist' comes up three times, and 'teacher' as a ministry only twice. You see, my friend, you cannot legitimatize ministry based on your own traditions. All five ministries are listed for a reason, and I think all are 'under-utilized.' As a matter of fact, many spiritual gifts (ministries are gifts) are misunderstood and 'under-utilized.' I believe that many today shun or disregard the spiritual gifts because they focus on the abuses. I will be the first to admit that these gifts are misused, abused and sometimes just plain false. However, I have witnessed these spiritual gifts being used in an orderly manner, bestowing blessing and guidance, edifying the church, and lifting high the name of Jesus. Would you also deny miracles, healing, and guidance by the Holy Spirit? Yes, indeed, these will help in our pursuit of unity. Obviously, knowledge and scholarship have not led us to unity, yet. I understand a dearth of balance these days, on both sides, but to do away with some of our most powerful weapons is unwise. Peace to you in Christ Jesus. | ||||||
5 | 0-fold ministry? | Hebrews | RCSCROLL | 1544 | ||
Hello charis sorry it took so long for me to get back to you,Paul was talking to the immediate church at hand ,yes the church did indeed h ave a five fold ministry,they are the foundation that Christ has layed Eph 2:20 and no other foundation can any man lay. In construction the foundation only has to be done one time,then the frame work fitly joined together. What your trying to say in essance is that we are to build another foundation. 1cor 3:10-12 . now I propose to you that if you think that there are still Apostles,then what your saying is that what christ layed was not good and that it needs to be redone.As for Andronicus and Junis,they were not Apostles. You see I could be among the pesidents men however that dosent make me one of them , thats in essence what Romans 16:7 is saying .I used to struggle with the elizabethan language of King James also, however if you would study the old language this would be very aparent. Judas was naver an Apostle he died as a diciple, they became Apostles after Christs death on the Cross.So we start with 11 , then Mathias replaced judas,and that is twelve. then James died before paul came into the ministry Acts 12:2 .thats eleven again, so you see Paul is number 12 , Idont know all things but for some reason there were allways atleast the twelve. Which 12 will be in the foundation is unknown but as Rev 21:14 the names of the 12 Apostles, Idont know about you but I beleive what scripture says. As basing my beleif on my traditions your very wrong. I would never think that my Lord couldnt heal , he does very effectivly his will, not when we in the Church get everything just rite. you see hes not a respector of persons , he Healed me of an addiction to heroin 17 years ago. And my friend if you think that healing ministrys are going to come back your wrong, show me one passage of scripture that says that . My Bible says that in the last times they will not endure sound doctrine,2 Tim 4:3 and that a great fallig away of the faith shall happen 2 thess 2:3. When do you think lying signs and wonders will happen 2Thess 2:9-11. I Pray that you dont believe in slain in the spirit, and that you are a part of a healthy well balanced church. remember that the older testament they worshipped in power and might , but now we worship in spirit and in truth. Love you and God bless Allways R.C. scroll | ||||||
6 | Apostles impossible? | Hebrews | charis | 1563 | ||
My dear friend in Christ, I read with great interest your reply. I must respectfully disagree with some of the premises of your opinions on this issue. It seems that you start with the idea that we do not have apostles today, then move on to prove it. Regarding Ephesians 2:20, I agree, these ministries are the foundation Christ laid. I do not propose to re-lay, but to continue on in this foundational gift. In regard to 1 Corinthians 13:8-12, you imply that the 'perfect' has come, thus doing away with the need for spiritual gifts. Jesus is the 'Perfect' spiritual gift, and He has not yet returned. I cannot believe that you say the divided church as we know it is not in need of as many gifts of the Spirit as are made available. We NEED them, now! Unfortunately, many 'ministries' have made a mockery of these gifts, with their misuse, abuse, and just plain false use of them. These miscreants are no excuse for you to deny the Spirit, just encouragement to find their proper use. As to Judas, I meant Judas called Barsabbas. What about: "But when the apostles, Barnabas and Paul, heard of it, they tore their robes and rushed out into the crowd, crying out..." Acts 14:14 NASB. And when Paul, number 14, is considered to be number 12, does he displace James or Matthias? I also have personal experience with divine healing, my wife was healed from cancer of the womb, and I now have two teenage daughters. Actually, I do not like 'healing ministries,' and think that most are spiritually arrogant, some even charlatans. However, I cannot discount that many are healed by faith in God. I do, as a matter of fact, believe that one can be 'slain in the Spirit,' but think that the popular 'mass-slayings' are false, an abuse of showmanship and emotional manipulation. I am part of a healthy, well-balanced church. Many speak in tongues and (gasp!) prophesy. However, in our defense, I assure you that "...all things be done properly and in an orderly manner." 1 Corinthians 14:40 NASB. You may have never experienced this, but it IS possible. (Please note that stating that something cannot happen because you have not seen it is spiritual bigotry) My friend, you cannot make your assumptions based on the how many people abuse the gifts. After all, if every lemming jumped off the cliff, there would be no more lemmings. Obviously, some lemmings are not totally stupid :-) If you have never been to a 'spirit-filled' church that was orderly, respectable, responsible and balanced, come to Yokohama some time. Yours in Christ Jesus. charis |
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7 | Apostles impossible? | Hebrews | Minister | 1695 | ||
Ephesian 4:11 there are modern day apostles I believe they are known as missionaries. But there no reason to discredit healing because that is part of the Fivefold ministry or Church. Regardless of there attitude we are no in the position to judge. Jesus said let the man without sin cast the first stone. We all have a spot some were and we can not see it but I assure you that some one else can find you and me with fault. Pray for those with lack of knowledge. 1Cr 2:12 If you are a Spirit-filled man you should know what to do in a situation like this one. You should know not to talk about it but Pray about it. Forbid no to use what God gave him. Remember Matt.7:1-5 Judge not that you be not judged, For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judge, and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again. Also what about on the day of Pentecost 120 were slain in the spirit in Acts 1:15 If God wanted every man, woman, girl, boy, baby, animal, insect, and etc. slain in the spirit He will. But if you get 100,000 people line up on one accord in prayer, and praise just like the day of Pentecost, they will be bath and slain them right there. We can have a form of godliness and deny the power thereof. But I am sure that you already understand. May the Lord Bless you with the knowledge and understanding of his word. Any questions. my address www.ministerhudson@hotmail.com. Here's a website for you www.blueletterbible.org |
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8 | Apostles impossible? | Hebrews | RCSCROLL | 1716 | ||
Matt 7:1-6 Hi minister read the whole context of a teaching,this teaching is about making a correct judgment its not about dont judge ,but do so in love, we can not judge the heart of a man but we can judge what he says. other wise how do we know when not to cast our pearls to swine.or false teachers in the last days for that matter.love in Christ RCSCROLL P.S. give me scripture on slain in the spirit. | ||||||