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1 | When will Jesus return? | 2 Thessalonians | john 146 | 96778 | ||
Hope for the best, but prepare for the worst. Since we can't all agree on when, maybe we should take a good look at the reprecussions of both views. First we'll look at post-trib rapture; if we take this view we are ready for anything and everything, and if we are wrong, PRAISE THE LORD! Now lets look at pre-trib, if we take this view, we are putting all our hope into something we are not completely sure is going to happen. If it does great, but if it doesn't happen not only are we going to be shamefuly unprepared for the trails to come, but we open up the church for dangerous ridicule from sceptics. When we try to piont out the anti-christ people will in turn look at us and say "well if this is true, why are you still here? Where is this rapture you have been telling us about?" No wonder the scripture talks about a great falling away, all those half-way christians that go to church on easter and christmas, the ones that don't know their bibles, the same ones we've been telling "don't get left behind" they are going to look at us like we are crazy when it doesn't happen. And our enimies are going to scoff endlessly at us, how much harder are things going to be because of our own mouths. Not only physical persecussion, but ridicule, and from those that once called themselves christian. If you want to take this view that is your right, but do me and the church a favor and DONT PREACH IT. If you want to discuss it at a bible study that is one thing but to preach and proclaim to every one in and out of the church is only going to hurt us if we're wrong. Think people, I know its a great missionary tool to tell people "Don't get left behind," but what is going to happen to all those who were brought to Christ because they didn't want to get left behind? When they find out they are left behind the first thing they are going to do is rexamine everything they learned as a Christian. Why not prepare these people for the worst and hope for the best, as we our selves should do. Your faithful brother in Christ, John 146 |
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2 | When will Jesus return? | 2 Thessalonians | justme | 96959 | ||
John 146: Welcome to the Bible Study Forum! I see your are able to express your ideas and opinion of the end times quite well. I think you have formed some conclusions, that are a little fuzzy for me to grasp. My concern is you have given no Scripture to support any of your ideas, thoughts and opinions. I think what you have said is interesting, and if this were just a talk about your ideas forum that would be just fine. However, this is a Study Bible Forum, and Scriptual backing for our reasons as to why we believe what we do, is pretty essential. Please do no't take this as a negative slam, as it is just a note to remind you how the Forum should be. Personally I take Matthew chapters 24, 25 and 26 and follow what Jesus said would take place. I take quite serious that Jesus said NO ONE knows when He will return but the FATHER. Although I am not a Dispensational Premillennialists, nor a Postmillennialists, or an Amillennialists, I am able to Scriptually take the position of a Historic Premillennialists. Premillennialialism is the doctrine stating that after the Second Coming of Christ, He will reign for 1,000 years over the earth before the final consummation of God's redemptive purpose in the new heavens and the new earth of the Age to Come. This is I believe, the natural reading of Revelation 20:1-6. Show me a church that is not Premillennialists in doctrine and there is very little evangelism or outreach to the unsaved. These non Premillennialist churches tend to be liberal neo-orthodox, and interested more in the social gospel. This is a tern seldom used today. When you state "but do me and the church a favor and DON'T PREACH IT. ...is only going to hurt us if we're wrong." I do not like the LEFT BEHIND books or films, if seen as accurate, when compaired to Scripture. These Books are a little Scripture mixed with a lot of fiction that keeps anxiety high for the reader or movie goer. I DO believe there is a serious reason to proclain the Gospel of Jesus Christ with a sence of URGENCY. We know not when Jesus may return. I know of nothing yet required by Scripture to prevent Jesus from returning now. One preaching must have solid Scriptual reasons for their end time preaching. Any preacher worth a tinkers dam, has endured criticism when they preach on Christ's return. There are many views that are Scriptually based, like Dispensationalisn Premillennalism, that do have a valid view point, and do deserve careful conssssideration, and are Orthodox. I personally find some difficulty with it, but there is no reason for not having close fellowship with my brothers and sisters who do believe this. Beside when Christ returns we all will know, and perhaps we all will be in for quite a shock, as to exactally how His returN happens. I hope this has widened your scope of understanding and encouraged your use of Scripture to back thoughts and beliefs up with, I enjoy a good dialogue with respect and kindness. Blessings justme |
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3 | When will Jesus return? | 2 Thessalonians | john 146 | 96966 | ||
Thank you for the welcome justme' But I think that you might have misunderstood what I was trying to convey. I was not trying to push my view, although I do believe that it is obvious from reading it where I stand; it was not my intention to try and prove or disprove any view one way or the other. What I was trying to do is to ask the reader to consider the repercussions of what they are telling the world. So I didn't feel it nessessary to quote a whole lot of scripture when I was simply discussing an opinion on a controversial interpretation and its consecquenses. And one more thing, I was speaking about the rapure of the church in relation to the tribulation, not the millenial reign. And yes I completely agree with you on the point that Jesus said in Matt 24:36 "No one knows the day or the hour" so I don't pretend to, in fact I take it a step further and leave the door open for a pre-trib rapture, although I don't take that stance, I'm in no way dogmatic about it. But in considering the consequences if we're wrong, I think the price is too great. Which is why I said in the opening sentence of my previous letter, "hope for the best, but prepare for the worst." In response to your comments regarding my format, in furture letters I will try to remember that our opinions should be scripturally backed, although in this case, I don't see how I could have done that, being that I was just asking the reader to think about the consequences of what they are preaching. Thank you for your thoughts, I do appreciate your criticism and no I don't take it negetively. I always try to remain open to correction from other chritians, we are after all one body. However I do feel that you may have misundersood what I was saying, so in light of this letter maybe you could state more clearly what it is that you would like to tell me. In regard to the format of these letters though I will try to apply what you have said. Thank you, your brother in Christ, John 146 |
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