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1 | 1Corinthians questions: Gifts and women | 1 Corinthians | JonnyRay49423 | 3929 | ||
I confess I did not quote any verses to back of what I wrote concerning your questions. I gave you my opinion for what it is worth. Now how to defend my opinions with verses from the Bible. I do not have any new verses to use to back up my opinions. In this StudyBible Forum I see the same questions being asked all the time especially the women issue and tongues. I have nothing else to add to the debate except my opinion-the Bible verses setting forth what the Bible teaches about the role of women in the local church have been quoted several times in the StudyBible Forum. When it comes to the phenomenon of what is described by Pentecostals as speaking in tongues I can only offer my opinions. Among Christians we have Pentecostals and non-Pentecostals. I personally see no value spiritually in speaking in gibberish. I can not explain to you how I came to speak in tongues if I now believe it to be unbiblical. I have some biblically based arguements but I can not fulfill that task in this small white box-I could recommend some books that helped me-but in the end we must go by the plain teachings of the Bible. The last week I have been doing a study of First Corinthians-I am only on chapter 3-but I do see that the apostle Paul's main desire was to preach Christ crucified and not anything else-my opinion is that as Christians we will only mature spiritually under the preaching of the Bible-textual preaching-if one was to preach from Genesis to Revelations would one find "tongues" to be super important or the Lord Jesus Christ? The focus of Scripture is the Lord-we must get our eyes off ourselves and focus them on the Lord Jesus Christ. | ||||||
2 | 1Corinthians questions: Gifts and women | 1 Corinthians | KBurgee | 3932 | ||
I agree that focusing on Jesus should be our main concern, but we cannot just ignore the effects of spiritual gifts to the glory of God and the edification of the church. Speaking in tongues is designed for unbelievers. What better way to get your message across that our God is an awesome God than to communicate it in someone else's language? Tongues is a gift, true, and it can and has been misused, agreed, but what about the men who spoke in tongues in Acts 2:1-11? Is that not true? They were accused of being drunk. The people who they were speaking weren't ready or willing at that time to accept God. Gifts of God - no matter what they are - should be used to glorify Him, and should not be taken lightly. It's the fact that I've seen some people take it lightly that discourages me. The spirit of the Lord will do what it will. People have been brought closer to God - saved or otherwise - through speaking, through prophesy, through spiritual gifts. Our concern, our focus, our LIFE is Jesus, but shouldn't our duty as Christians be to extend to others who are fast tracking it to Hell? What would be the point of showing our light? Like I stated, not all spiritual gifts are for us. They are for the edification of the body of Christ, which is the church. I'd like to know what these books are that you have read about tongues. |
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3 | 1Corinthians questions: Gifts and women | 1 Corinthians | Ray | 3944 | ||
Hi KBurgee, I want to write to you and retxar about questions I have related to your question. The gift of tongues was something I prayed about some twenty years ago even though my dad had told me that that had "passed away" years ago. What do people think they are expressing on the whole when they are baptized or filled or whatever word is used? Expressed another way, do most people say they are filled with the Holy Spirit or with a holy spirit? 1 Corinthians 14:2 says, "for no one understands but in his spirit he speaks mysteries." Also, "his" is in italics and evidently not in Greek. 1Corinthians 14:14 says, "For if I pray in a tongue, my spirit prays,..." These two verses are saying that it is our spirit that is praying to God. It is not the Spirit's words. Compare Acts 2:4, "And they were filled with the Holy Spirit and began to speak with other tongues, as the Spirit was giving them utterance." Listen to me now,(no I'm not Charles Stanley)could this read "And they were filled with holy spirit and began to speak... as the Spirit gave them utterance." When you look at these verses, should that be the interpretation? Again, what do most people think they are expressing when speaking in tongues? Is it like retxar said, "Thus saith the Lord" when it wasn't Him speaking at all? I don't know that much about Charismatics and what they think they are doing. Look at Acts 4:31 with my preferred lower case, "and they were filled with the holy spirit, and they spoke the word (singular) of God with boldness." I think the NASB reads "began to speak" because later verses showed that they continued to give testimony. You have said "The spirit of the Lord will do what it will" We know that the Holy Spirit is a He not an it. But in reference to what I am talking about it would not be out of the question to test the spirits and see if it is from God. I wonder, because of your capitalization of Life if you would consider Colossians 3:3,4 with me? "For you have died and your life is hidden with Christ in God. When Christ, who is our Life, is revealed, then you also will be revealed with Him in glory." Col.3:13 goes along with Corinthians 13 and 14, "Beyond all these things put on love" and "Let the word of Christ richly dwell within you..." Later, Ray |
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4 | 1Corinthians questions: Gifts and women | 1 Corinthians | retxar | 3965 | ||
Thanks Ray for asking me to reply. Jesus gave us a definition of the Baptism of the Holy Spirit in Acts 1:8 (not baptized with a holy spirit). When a believer is baptized “with the Holy Spirit”, (Mat 3:11, Mark 1:8, Luke 3:16, John 1:33, Acts 1:5) Jesus is the baptizer. When a sinner is drawn to repentance by the Holy Spirit, and is baptized into the body of Christ at salvation (Rom 6:4, 1Cor 12:13, Gal 3:27, Col 2:12, 2Cor 7:10), the Holy Spirit is the baptizer. When a person speaks in tongues, the person’s spirit is speaking with the assistance of the Holy Spirit (Acts 2:4, Rom 8:26, Jude 1:20 ). The word “spirit” in 1Cor 14:2, 14, 15, 16, and 17 is indeed speaking of the person’s spirit, but they are speaking with the assistance of the Holy Spirit. The person speaking in tongues is speaking praises, blessings, and thanks, to God, not the people (1Cor14:2,16-17). I have heard interpretations of tongues to be a prophetic message, but I can’t see that happening in Scripture. Tongues and prophesy occurred together, (Act 19:6) but I don’t think the prophetic message was the tongues interpretation, but I may be wrong. Other possible helps. The Holy Spirit converses with the believers spirit (Rom8:16). See also Mat10:19-20, Luke12:11-12. Hope this helps. Jesus Lives! |
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5 | 1Corinthians questions: Gifts and women | 1 Corinthians | JonnyRay49423 | 3984 | ||
It is impossible to examine all the Scriptures you quoted in your theology of tongues. We both know that there are books by scholars on both sides of the issue-I have books in my library by those who hold to speaking in tongues-they can quote the Scriptures to defend their position-I also have books by those who find no biblical support for speaking in tongues. Maybe we should shift the focus-Ask the question of why the Holy Spirit has given spiritual gifts to us-Christians? Maybe what we should be doing is using our spiritual gifts to help other believers in their walk with God. Not think one spiritual gift is better than another-now I do see the gift of proclaiming the teachings of the Bible to be the best gift-but we need all the gifts of the Spirit-I personally see tongues to be not important-but that is my personal conviction-I know there are Christians who disagree with me-in the end we need to love another and serve the Lord-make sure the Lord is the focus and not ourselves. |
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6 | 1Corinthians questions: Gifts and women | 1 Corinthians | retxar | 3990 | ||
I confess I have not read many books (except the Bible) by scholars on speaking in tongues. All I can say to that is Act 17:11 and 1Th 5:21. You asked: why has the Holy Spirit given spiritual gifts to Christians? Eph 4:12 for the equipping of the saints for the work of ministry, for the edifying of the body of Christ Thanks Jesus Lives! |
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7 | 1Corinthians questions: Gifts and women | 1 Corinthians | JonnyRay49423 | 4121 | ||
The Lord has given us biblical scholars to help us understand the Bible. "Test all things; hold to what is good" I Thess.5:21. |
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8 | 1Corinthians questions: Gifts and women | 1 Corinthians | kalos | 4124 | ||
Amen, Jonny Ray! Surely the Lord has given teachers to the church. And he has given them for a reason. Eph 4:11 NASB And He gave some as apostles, and some as prophets, and some as evangelists, and some as pastors and teachers, May God richly bless you. --JVH0212 |
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