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1 | Is homosexuality actually forbidden? | Romans | Morant61 | 11217 | ||
Greetings Dean! There are several words which can refer to homosexuality. This is why you see a range of translations, but basically the words are synonymous. Yes, Scripture is very clear about homosexuality. Consider the following verses from both the Old and New Testaments. 1) Lev. 18:22 - "Do not lie with a man as one lies with a woman; that is detestable." 2) Lev. 20:13 - "If a man lies with a man as one lies with a woman, both of them have done what is detestable. They must be put to death; their blood will be on their own heads." 3) Romans 1:26-27 - "26 Because of this, God gave them over to shameful lusts. Even their women exchanged natural relations for unnatural ones. 27 In the same way the men also abandoned natural relations with women and were inflamed with lust for one another. Men committed indecent acts with other men, and received in themselves the due penalty for their perversion." 4) 1 Cor. 6:9-10 - "Do you not know that the wicked will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor male prostitutes nor homosexual offenders 10 nor thieves nor the greedy nor drunkards nor slanderers nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God." 5) 1 Tim. 1:9-10 - "We also know that law is made not for the righteous but for lawbreakers and rebels, the ungodly and sinful, the unholy and irreligious; for those who kill their fathers or mothers, for murderers, 10 for adulterers and perverts (perverts is the word for Homosexual offenders), for slave traders and liars and perjurers—and for whatever else is contrary to the sound doctrine" Homosexuality is not the unparondable sin. It is a sin like any other sin. However, Scripture is clear that it is sin. It is also clear that one can be practice a homosexual lifestyle (even a monogamous one) and be a Christian. Those who practice such a lifestyle are listed among those who will not inherit the Kingdom of God. I hope this helps! |
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2 | Is homosexuality actually forbidden? | Romans | Dean Graf | 11218 | ||
I agree that the Old Testament is clear on the subject. I question whether the prohibitions in Leviticus are still applicable, given the penalty listed, and given how much Levitical law was intended for the Israelites only. That's why I specified prohibitions in the New Testament. Re: 1 Romans... my question here is on the use of the phrases "natural relations" and "unnatural (relations)." Does this mean homosexuality is unnatural, that is not according to nature? Which nature? Human nature? The nature of life? Certainly homosexuality occurs in nature, there are numerous examples of animals engaging in homosexual acts. Of course we are held to a different standard than animals. But if homosexuality is not according to human nature, why do people engage in it? What is meant by "natural relations" in these verses? Re: 1 Cor 6:9-10... I find a number of questions here. On a not-quite-relevant note, why are male prostitutes singled out? Isn't prostitution a sin regardless of the gender of the prostitute? Why are female prostitutes omitted? I also question why the qualifier "offender" is added ("homosexual offender" as opposed to "homosexual"), when the word "homosexual" is used by itself in other references in this same translation? It seems some difference is indicated, hence the qualifier. What is the difference between a homosexual and a homosexual offender? Re: 1 Tim... Is a homosexual a pervert? Where is the word pervert as it is used here defined, in terms of what is included under the word? It may seem from my challenges that I have an agenda. Please be assured I do not. These questions have been painfully puzzling to me, and I welcome the chance to discuss them. |
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3 | Is homosexuality actually forbidden? | Romans | Morant61 | 11222 | ||
Greetings Dean! Thanks for your response! Allow me to attempt to answer some of your questions. 1) You wrote: " I agree that the Old Testament is clear on the subject. I question whether the prohibitions in Leviticus are still applicable, given the penalty listed, and given how much Levitical law was intended for the Israelites only. That's why I specified prohibitions in the New Testament. " I would agree that we are no longer bound to Levitical law. However, I do believe that where Levitical law touches on moral issues that the morality in question is still binding. Thus, the 10 Commandments are still enforce simply because they are based upon God’s character and nature. I believe the same is true of the prohibition against homosexuality. While the penalty may not be binding, the morality is. 2) You wrote: "Re: 1 Romans... my question here is on the use of the phrases "natural relations" and "unnatural (relations)." Does this mean homosexuality is unnatural, that is not according to nature? Which nature? Human nature? The nature of life? Certainly homosexuality occurs in nature, there are numerous examples of animals engaging in homosexual acts. Of course we are held to a different standard than animals. But if homosexuality is not according to human nature, why do people engage in it? What is meant by "natural relations" in these verses? " This one is actually quite easy. Even though homosexuality may occur in some instances in nature, it is a biological dead end. Thus, it is against nature. It also is against God’s plan for us. We were created to in such a way that it is natural for men and women to engage in sexual intercourse. Romans clearly defines natural relations as relations between a man and a woman. Why do people engage in it? Look at Romans 1! They turned from God and gave themselves over to depravity. 3) You wrote: "Re: 1 Cor 6:9-10... I find a number of questions here. On a not-quite-relevant note, why are male prostitutes singled out? Isn't prostitution a sin regardless of the gender of the prostitute? Why are female prostitutes omitted? I also question why the qualifier "offender" is added ("homosexual offender" as opposed to "homosexual"), when the word "homosexual" is used by itself in other references in this same translation? It seems some difference is indicated, hence the qualifier. What is the difference between a homosexual and a homosexual offender?" Allow me to quote from a commentary concerning your first question: "The list of offenders was similar to that noted earlier (1 Cor. 5:10-11), which no doubt corresponded to problems in Corinth and in other large cities of the day (cf. Eph. 5:3-6). Homosexuality and male prostitution, for example, were especially characteristic of Greco-Roman society. Plato lauded homosexual love in The Symposium (181B). Nero, emperor at the time Paul wrote this letter, was about to marry the boy Sporus (Suetonius, Lives of the Caesars, 6. 28), an incident bizarre only in its formality, since 14 of the first 15 Roman emperors were homosexual or bisexual." Concerning the translation of the word ‘arsenokoites’ as "homosexual offender," the word is only found here and in 1 Tim. 1:10. It simply means "a sodomite." I’m not sure why they choose this particular translation, but the meaning is clear. 4) You wrote: "Re: 1 Tim... Is a homosexual a pervert? Where is the word pervert as it is used here defined, in terms of what is included under the word?" See above for the word used. But yes, I would say a homosexual would be a pervert, along with a host of other sexual sinners. It might be easier to discuss a smaller section. So, if you have any particulars you want to discuss, focus in on them. Your Brother in Christ, Tim Moran |
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4 | Is homosexuality actually forbidden? | Romans | Dean Graf | 11226 | ||
This is the crux of my problem. The original verses seem ambiguous, their meaning open to debate. And most of the clarifications I've been given so far seem to favor predigested interpretations over examinations of the texts themselves. I've yet to receive a translation of the original Greek which is also not agenda-driven. Debating from a stance of "This is clearly the meaning" doesn't help me because the meaning isn't that clear to me. Is somebody willing and able to examine the texts with me from a neutral stance? I appreciate it. | ||||||
5 | Is homosexuality actually forbidden? | Romans | Searcher56 | 11232 | ||
Dean Graf, The origin is very clear. In my Interlinear Bible, I see the original to be very clear. I have the Greek, an the English word on top of it. On the side I have the translation, sometimes in a different order that the Greek. But, it carrys the meaning. If not exact, very close. In this case all the passages on homosexuality say it is wrong. On online is Interlinear Bible at: http://bible.crosswalk.com/InterlinearBible/ ... copy and paste the text, then click each the Greek word to see the English word and put that word on top of the Greek. There is not always a 1:1 ratio. It is painstaking work, just ask those who study that way. This was is neutral. Steve |
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6 | Is homosexuality actually forbidden? | Romans | Searcher56 | 11233 | ||
Correction - This way is neutral. Also as you study the text in the context. -Study each word -Study the pharse -Study the paragraph -Study the chapter -Study the book -Study the NT or OT, as applicable -Study the whole Bible ... see how it all fits and it will be clear to you. Steve |
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