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1 | What of the Law applies to me a believe? | Romans | DocTrinsograce | 200838 | ||
Dear MJH, I'm a Jewish Christian, and I can answer that question as I have had to answer that question. Frankly, it still surprises me that there are believers who cannot do so -- Galatians and Hebrews are pretty explicit, harmonizing quite well with Romans. Woe to our churches that fail to adequately teach these very fundamental doctrines of the faith! Off the top of my head: Augustine, Chrysostom, Tertillian, Aquinas, Luther, Calvin, Beza, Zwingli, Pascal, Knox, Owen, Winslow, Toplady, Whitfield, Wesley, Edwards, Spurgeon, Pink, Warfield, Machen, Sproul to name a few in the last twenty centuries have written volumes on this subject alone! If you haven't been able to find sound theological discussion on this topic, all I can imagine is that you are living a theologically and literary cloistered life. No offense intended, but you should be up to your eyeballs in stuff to read. You could spend a lifetime just on that topic and still have stuff left to read! Have you ever tackled a good systematic theology? Probably every single one of them has a section on the nature of the law. Anyway, here are a few couple page articles to read. In the mean time, start Googling, man! :-) In Him, Doc http://www.ccel.org/ccel/luther/sermons.v.html http://www.christiantruth.com/gospelintro.html http://www.mountzion.org/text/marrow/c3s12.html http://www.gracevalley.org/radio_trans/antinomianism.html http://www.the-highway.com/law1_Alderson.html http://www.the-highway.com/lawandgospel_Colquhoun.html http://www.the-highway.com/articleFeb00.html http://www.frame-poythress.org/frame_articles/2002Law.htm http://www.covopc.org/Papers/Moo_Critique_Fuller.html http://www.the-highway.com/lawgospel_Walther.html http://www.founders.org/FJ58/article2_fr.html |
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2 | What of the Law applies to me a believe? | Romans | MJH | 200839 | ||
Hey Doc, Thanks for the links! Also, yes I know the doctrines and most the people you site and yes I could argue and discuss any side of this issue very well. I'm honestly not seeking to prove my thinking or understanding, I just can't/couldn't find available online a good argument that addressed this issue specifically. MJH |
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3 | What of the Law applies to me a believe? | Romans | DocTrinsograce | 200840 | ||
Keywords: Antinomianism and Legalism. | ||||||
4 | What of the Law applies to me a believe? | Romans | MJH | 200851 | ||
Doc, These keywords are both on the ridiculous side of things. I'm looking more for the coherent arguments and systematic theologies which fall within the rational realm of Christendom. I look forward to following your earlier links! Thanks again, MJH |
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5 | What of the Law applies to me a believe? | Romans | DocTrinsograce | 200852 | ||
Dear MJH, Both of those words mark the left and right extremes of this topic, son. When you actually delve a bit into what Christendom has had to say on the subject, you'll understand this. But I can guarantee you won't find it in a couple of pages worth of reading. Scholarship takes some intellectual sweat, I fear. Haven't we explained all this enough times now? I think I've posted on the topic about half a thousand times myself. Oh... wait... maybe I was piddling around in that *irrational* realm! :-) In Him, Doc |
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6 | What of the Law applies to me a believe? | Romans | MJH | 200861 | ||
Doc, It seems that you are a bit upset with me here. Of all the people I've discussed with here on this site over the years, none have I respected more than you. Like I mentioned to Jeff, I may not realize how my typing always comes across. You said, "But I can guarantee you won't find it in a couple of pages worth of reading." You are very correct there. So far the best article I have found is 31 pages long. That's why I've had a hard time finding good writing. Most of them are short synopsis. "Scholarship takes some intellectual sweat, I fear!" - that is an understatement. It is great when you find a person who is doing it though, or to read the writings of those who came before. It's marveling. MJH |
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7 | What of the Law applies to me a believe? | Romans | DocTrinsograce | 200894 | ||
Dear MJH, No, I'm not upset with you personally. I'm just annoyed at the human heart that is so resistant to gospel truth. A pastor ministering sound doctrine to the flock must necessarily have great patience. Clearly, being a pastor is not part of my calling. You see, the law has only the power of death (Romans 3:20; 7:5-11; Galatians 3:11). Complying with the law doesn't make you more acceptable to God (Isaiah 64:6). Indeed, rather it only shows further our agreement that we simply agree with its assessment of our complete failure before it (Romans 2:14-15). God loves us because of what the Son did (1 John 4:10). Consequently, we can't increase or decrease that love one tiny jot, especially not by the law. How could we even come remotely close to the incredible and perfect atonement of our Savior? In the light of that -- how does all the obedience in the world to the law compare? Zilch. This is probably a lousy example, but bear with me. When I was a student decades ago, I worked for a time in low-temperature physics. I suppose the technology has vastly improved, but at that time "making" liquid helium took days. Now liquefied helium is really odd stuff. Imagine a container that has a tiny hole in it. Indeed, imagine that the hole is so small that air itself is unable to pass through it. If you place liquid helium in such a container it simply drains away. That's exactly the way grace behaves. One tiny bit of the law, and the whole thing drains away (Romans 11:6; Galatians 5:4). Okay, here's another example: Imagine that I invite you to dinner. I've hired the best chef in the region to prepare a beautiful meal. Rich and expensive delicacies are spread before you on the best china, silver, and crystal. The aromas alone are incredibly tantalizing. Before you begin to eat, though, I say, "I really hope you enjoy the meal. However, I think it only fair to tell you that there is an extremely tiny amount of raw sewage somewhere in all that food. Don't worry, though, the total amount is less than a grain of salt. But I assure you that everything else is perfectly sterile." How does this fact change the appeal of the meal? I hope this extremely important point is being driven home. If a person wants to give up grace, by all means, climb aboard the well crowded legalism band-wagon. However, if you head that route, grace gets completely thrown out (Galatians 3:2-3), and your righteousness must exceed that of the most law-abiding people in history (Matthew 5:20). In Him, Doc |
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8 | What of the Law applies to me a believe? | Romans | MJH | 200902 | ||
Great examples Doc. They're excellent at making your point. I'm not sure if you understand that I agree with you probably completely. I know that you are not saying that, "any obedience at all to God throws out Grace." I know you're not antinomian. So, if Christians obey Law, they are not automatically trying to earn anything in the site of God. Any act of obedience done in love is a wonderful thing, I believe, and I am quite sure you do as well. God forbid anyone ever teach that our actions in relationship to any deed, law, or even doctrine can earn ourselves either salvation or a more favorable place before a Holy God. We are saved by faith alone through the Messiah Jesus alone by grace alone. MJH |
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9 | What of the Law applies to me a believe? | Romans | DocTrinsograce | 200921 | ||
Dear MJH, Therefore you see why this question is bounded by the extremes of legalism and antinomianism. Righteousness isn't about compliance with the law any more than beauty is about makeup. The tree is known by its fruit, but the nature of the fruit is a manifestation of the very DNA of the plant. Thus, as Thomas Watson put it, "A godly man is a heavenly man; heaven is in him, before he is in heaven." In Him, Doc |
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