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1 | Which promises? | Romans | EdB | 12702 | ||
Tracy – You may stand there a long time, if it isn’t in the will of God to take that land from one person and give it to you. Never forget God is sovereign! He will promise and do as He pleases! Your right the promise to Abraham was to make him the father of many nations. And we are heirs to the blessings but again God has never promised you to be the father of any nation. Mother maybe :-). However you should not expect to start a family at the age of 90 as Sarah did, since that promise was to Sarah not you. Tracy this is just plain bad teaching that the promises in the Bible made to specific people or for a specific situation can be claimed today, it is just nonsense. You will stand by the Red Sea a long time holding a stick and never see it part. Or you can complain a long time about hunger and never see manna fall from heaven. You can go to the top of mount Sinai and fashion stone tablets but I submit you will wait a long time for God’s glory to descend upon the mountain and God to inscribe upon the tablets. Do you see the nonsense? One other consideration Tracy in the teaching about claiming promises, notice how it is always for physical betterment, the teachers never talk about how God tried the faithful men of the Old Testament by fire. It is part of the name and claim it, blab it and grab it, teaching that has become so popular. However it is without biblical basis. No where does the Bible say this principal exists. |
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2 | 2 Cor. 1:20 | Romans | wdc | 12713 | ||
Gentlemen, What about 2 Cor. 1:20, "For all the promises of God in Him (Jesus) are Yes, and in Him Amen, to the glory of God,..." How does this apply to the promises made in the O.T. and the N.T.? later...wdc |
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3 | 2 Cor. 1:20 | Romans | EdB | 12714 | ||
Wdc That verse is saying all the promises in both the Old and New Testament made in relation to the Messiah are fulfilled in Christ Jesus. He is the Messiah! How could you turn that around to mean that all the promises in the Old Testament made to Israel are for the church today? | ||||||
4 | 2 Cor. 1:20 | Romans | wdc | 12717 | ||
I didn't turn it around, I asked a question. Here is another question. Where does it say that this only applies to messianic promises? It looks like to me that Paul is talking about physical promises of deliverance from his enemies in verses 9 and 10, and promises that God would see him through on his journey in verse 16. I'm not argueing either, I'm trying to understand. later...wdc |
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5 | 2 Cor. 1:20 | Romans | EdB | 12728 | ||
The 'in Him' is the key here. He saying the promises 'in Him', in the Messiah are yes and amen. What are those promises? Peace, joy, love goodness, forgiveness, salvation, sanctification, fellowship, hope, glorification and heaven, which are made possible by Christ Jesus. Verse 9-10 Paul is saying he is so sure he is going to dead for the gospel that he even pronounces this death sentence upon himself and adds his trust is not in his own flesh but in God. Paul’s use of the term “who raises from the dead” which is a Jewish term for God, which means his only hope is from God who can even raise the dead. Paul was certain God would preserve him until his work was accomplished. Paul’s focus is not on his body or physical promises but rather on accomplishing all that God has for him. Many places he shows almost contempt for any concern about his physical well being. To Paul it is not consideration. Yet he uses his suffering for a testimony to the church. He is saying CHURCH YOUR GOING TO SUFFER! However, like me (Paul) God will see you through it to enable you to accomplish what God wills for you. By being faithful you can expect the promises of the Messiah (as listed above) to be accomplished in your life. All this focus on promises for possession and wealth and such made to Israel runs contradictory to Hebrews 11:13-16. People that want to be comfortable here on earth are in effect calling this their home. If that be the case we then must take the inverse of Hebrew 11:16 and say God will be ashamed to be called their God. I pray this answers your questions Be blessed and be a blessing Ed |
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6 | 2 Cor. 1:20 | Romans | wdc | 12737 | ||
Ed, Sounds like you have a MaCarthur study Bible, I use one too. Your aswer is good, but it still doesn't explain why the promises in the N.T. only pertain to spiritual blessings and in the O.T. they include physical. Does it make us less "spiritual" then them to be concerned with physical things? If God promised those things in the O.T., why not in the N.T.? If the new covenant is better than the old, why were most of the people that walked with God in the O.T. rich and in the N.T. the were basically poor? This is just a question. My purpose in life is not to be comfortable, comfort leads to complacency. My purpose is to serve Him and spread the gospel message to a lost, dying, God rejecting world. My purpose leads me to much Bible study and meditation, and that leads to many questions. My daughter, a Bible college graduate, (I'm not, I am uneducated except for some correspondance work I did) tells me I take things to literal. I don't know any other way to take the Bible except at face value. I have to principles that guide my study, praying for wisdom from the Holy Spirit and that the Bible will interpret itself if we let it. Hearing from other people, like those of you that use the forum helps too, because it allows me to hear thoughts and ideas I would not have heard and been opened to otherwise. So I thank you for talking to me. Looking forward to hearing to hearing from you. later...wdc |
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7 | 2 Cor. 1:20 | Romans | EdB | 12746 | ||
WDC First of all questions like yours only come up in countries like United States. In Haiti where everyone is poor it isn't an issue. Only in the US do we worry about wealth and we are blessed above all nations in wealth. Our poorest person is hundred times better off than the richest person in some countries. That in itself ought to tell you something is wrong with this type of thinking. You also said everyone in the OT was rich, do you have any idea how many OT saints died in what we call poverty? None of us have to build a wall around our house to keep wild animals out at night. How many of use have lizards running around our houses, yet we know Solomon did. Better yet how many New Testament saints died in poverty. All of the Apostles gave up all earthly wealth to preach the gospel and all except John died horrible deaths besides. I never said there are no promises in the OT for us today. I simply said that if a promise is made to a particular person or nation or for a particular situation we would be wise in not trying to claim it for today. I gave the example Abraham, he was promised a son in his old age (100) does that mean that every man that lives to be 100 should expect to father a child? No. As far as taking things literal I’m with you. I think that is the only way to read the Bible, and one of things that is wrong in the church today is too many refuse to read it that way. There is a difference between reading the Bible literally and literally applying what you read to today. I have said it before and I will say it again. There are two classes of promises in the Bible, ‘specific’ and ‘general’. Specific was are promises made to a specific person, nation of people, or for a specific situation. General are for the Old Testament saints as well as the New Testament saints. Within the general classification is ‘conditional’ and ‘unconditional’ promises. Conditional promises are promise made based on a condition or expectation that God set down. Unconditional are just that without any strings attached. Again I pray this answers your questions Ed |
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8 | 2 Cor. 1:20 | Romans | wdc | 12748 | ||
Thanks for your input. I think we are on the same page, I just understand it as well as you do yet. Pray for me in my search. later...wdc |
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9 | 2 Cor. 1:20 | Romans | EdB | 12749 | ||
WDC be assured you have my prayers. It was nice dicussing this with you. Be blessed and be a blessing Ed |
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