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1 | How? | Mark | azurelaw | 197482 | ||
Repost post number 2120 : Is the command to "LOVE THE LORD YOUR GOD WITH ALL YOUR HEART, AND WITH ALL YOUR SOUL, AND WITH ALL YOUR MIND, AND WITH ALL YOUR STRENGTH" in Mark 12:29-34 and elsewhere something that we, as Christians indwelt by the Holy Spirit can attain with God's enablement in this life, or is this merely an impossible command designed to humble us in our sinfulness? I find the above old post when I google around. I feel it interesting and worth our pondering again and would like to have some more inputs. Shalom Azure |
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2 | How? | Mark | Irish Eyes | 197483 | ||
Hello Azure, There is a distinct difference between the indwelling of the Holy Spirit and the filling of the Holy Spirit. As believers we never lose the indwelling of the Holy Spirit, but when we sin we are either quenching or grieving the Holy Spirit, thereby falling out of fellowship and no longer being filled with the Holy Spirit. Once we name our sin before God the Father then He is righteous and just to forgive us our sin and we are once again filled with the Holy Spirit and back in fellowship. Only then are we able to love the Lord with all our heart, all our soul, all our mind, and all our strength. It is a command that is attainable only with the filling of the Holy Spirit, which is not a permanent status with sinful mankind, along with advancing to spiritual maturity through the daily study of Bible doctrine. |
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3 | How? | Mark | DocTrinsograce | 197488 | ||
Hi, IE... You are, if I may say so, confusing the indicative (facts) with the imperative (command/experience). You can't hand-cuff the Holy Spirit (Job 40:9-12; Daniel 4:35; Isaiah 43:13; Acts 5:39; 11:17; 1 Corinthians 10:22). A believer has as much of the Holy Spirit as he/she is going to get: i.e., all of Him for all eternity. One can, however, experience more or less of Him in this life -- this is the continuous struggle we have until glory between the things of the Spirit and the sinful nature of the flesh. It is like being married: one cannot get more married or less married. However, one can experience greater or lesser degrees of intimacy in the marital relationship. During those fluctuations the fact of being married does not change. Galatians 5 explains all this very well; see particularly verses 22 through 25. If it is true that our life is in the Spirit (indicative), then we ought to live lives in the Spirit (imperative). In Him, Doc |
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4 | How? | Mark | Irish Eyes | 198188 | ||
Doc, you may certainly say so. Although we, as believers, remain indwelt by the Holy Spirit and cannot lose His indwelling, we can also grieve or quench the Holy Spirit. Correct? Your analogy of marriage is most apt. | ||||||
5 | How? | Mark | DocTrinsograce | 198209 | ||
Hi, IE... The terms to grieve (Ephesians 4:30) and quench (1 Thessalonians 5:19) the Holy Spirit only occur in these two passages. The first instance uses an anthropomorphism, and the second extends the fire metaphor of Matthew 3:11. We can discuss them in their proper context. However, we ought not deem form these passages that the eternal purposes of God can be thwarted. (What God is working out He will work out in perfect faithfulness. Neither man, angel, or demon can withstand His purposes (Psalms 33:11, 148:3, Proverbs 19:21, Job 41:11, Isaiah 14:27, Titus 1:2, Hebrews 6:17).) As has already been demonstrated, obstructing the Holy Spirit is not possible (post #197488). To use the marriage analogy again, the fact of the marriage (indicative) is not effected by the relational experience of the married couple (imperative). The husband and wife may act in ways that positively promote the benefits of the marital experience, or detract from them. In the same way, the believer can draw close to the Lord by walking in the things God has accomplished or draw away from the Lord by walking in the things of his old nature (Galatians 5:16ff). In Him, Doc |
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6 | How? | Mark | Irish Eyes | 198212 | ||
Doc, I agree that 'grieving' is an anthropomorphism in the context that the Holy Spirit is God and therefore is not grieved in the sense of the human emotion of grief. I think we are on the same page in that respect. However it appears I have somehow failed to make my point perspicuous so will attempt to clarify. The filling of God the Holy Spirit and the indwelling of God the Holy Spirit are not one in the same. You are most certainly correct by stating that indwelling is permanent and absolute. However, the filling of God the Holy Spirit is temporal and conditional. The righteousness of God the Holy Spirit precludes any function in the carnal believer. There are no spiritual dynamics in carnality. When a believer confesses his/her sin(s) before God the Father, "He (God) is faithful and righteous to forgive us our sin(s) and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness". Only then is the believer back in fellowship through the ministry (filling) of the Holy Spirit. In this respect your marriage analogy is on the mark; the only difference being that there is no 'divorcing' oneself from God the Holy Spirit. |
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7 | How? | Mark | DocTrinsograce | 198215 | ||
Hi, IE... That's mixing up the indicative and the imperative again. The notion of chasing off the Holy Spirit may be a common and popular teaching in some circles, but it doesn't reflect the doctrine of the Holy Spirit in Scripture. "And I will ask the Father, and He will give you another Helper, to be with you FOREVER, even the Spirit of truth, whom the world cannot receive, because it neither sees Him nor knows Him. You know Him, for He dwells with you and will be in you." (John 14:16-17 ESV -- my emphasis) See how John records that Christ taught that the indwelling of the Spirit as only being associated with Christians? See how it is perpetual? The apostle John wrote his first epistle entirely about progressive sanctification -- only experienced by the believer. Therein you'll not find anything there about a revolving-door kind of filling, but a consistent message with that which he had already spoken. He writes, "Whoever keeps His commandments abides in Him, and He in them [cf John 14:21]. And by this we know that He ABIDES in us, by the Spirit whom He HAS GIVEN us." (1 John 3:24 ESV) The presence of the Holy Spirit always has the consequence of bringing Christ-likeness (Isaiah 61:10-11; Titus 3:4-6). A believer can't get any more of Him, nor can he get any less of Him. The Spirit draws, regenerates, convicts, comforts, teaches, cleanses, leads, assures, seals, intercedes, preserves, confirms, endows, and transforms. His work in the life of a believer is a fundamental doctrine of salvation. The notion of a "second wind" or a "second blessing" is often taught in some circles. But with all the problems of the churches of Corinth, Galatian, Ephesus, Laodicea, etc. it isn't the lack of the Holy Spirit that is needed, but the failure to embrace the truth (indicative) of the Holy Spirit's indwelling (Romans 6:2; Galatians 3:3; etc.). Look for the fruit of Christ-likeness (Galatians 5:22-23), and you'll find the Holy Spirit at the root! In Him, Doc |
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8 | How? | Mark | Irish Eyes | 198217 | ||
Doc, We never lose the indwelling of the Holy Spirit, hence we are never commanded to be indwelt by the Holy Spirit after regeneration. But in Ephesians 5:18 we, as believers, are commanded to be filled with the spirit. If the filling of the Holy Spirit were an absolute, as you have stated, then a mandate to be filled with the spirit would not be necessary. |
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9 | How? | Mark | Irish Eyes | 198218 | ||
Doc, Per the study notes in my Nelson's NKJV study Bible: "Filling is a step beyond the sealing of the Holy Spirit (Ephesians 1:13) Sealing is an action God took at the point of our new birth. The tense of the Greek word translated 'filled' indicates that filling is a moment-by-moment, repeatable action. It is something Paul commands the believers at Ephesus to do. In other words, not all Christians are Spirit-filled, but all have been sealed (Ephesians 4:30)." |
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10 | How? | Mark | CDBJ | 198221 | ||
Greetings Irish Eyes, I just finished teaching that doctrine for the last three Sundays at Church and I agree with you completely. The Christian way of life is a super natural way of life that can only be entered by regeneration and lived daily by the exercise of 1John 1:9. Have a great day, CDBJ |
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11 | How? | Mark | Irish Eyes | 198222 | ||
Thank you, CDBJ. Happy New Year! May 2008 be a time of regeneration and a time to plant seeds that will not only take root, but will flourish abundantly. | ||||||