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|1||High standard of living?||Matthew||RR144||84035|
|I agree, the Christians wealth is stored in heaven. His riches are spiritual.
That is not to say that we as Christian cannot gain meyerial wealth, however this is not what God and Christ have suggested. We are ONLY promised the neccessity of life, a roof over our heads, clothes on our backs. Anything else is extra :) But we must keep in mind that anyting we attain in this life is God's and so we must sue it to his glory, NOT others, like living in oversize homes, wearing three thousand dollar suits and driving luxury cars. We must be good stewards!
|2||How best to translate Ps. 45:6?||Psalm||RR144||84034|
|Here are some other translations:
"Thy throne given of God is for ever and ever; a sceptre of equity is the sceptre of thy kingdom." JPS
"Your divine throne endures for ever and ever. Your royal scepter is a scepter of equity" RSV
"Your throne is God's throne, ever and always;
The scepter of your royal rule measures right living." "The Message"
Interestingly under this verse the Contemprary English Bible states; "45.6 You. . . king: Or " God has made you king, and you will rule forever."
Hope this helps!
|3||What is the most accurate Bible?||Bible general Archive 1||RR144||84031|
|LOL ... no problem. In the old days late 1880s, it was simply called Rotherham's New Testament, and when completed ROtherham's Bible, I'm not sure when it became the Emphasize Bible. In the 1896, however the Watchtower did offer this Bible, along with dozens of other translations, but it was never a Watchtower or JW Bible. Anymore than the other translation they have offered through the years are.
Yes, you are correct, it has a tremendous repuation, personally I find it hard to read, but it is good for study and comparisons.
Please excuse my abruptness. It is one of my pet peeves when people make claims on subjects they have not researched, or they borrow the claims of others as their own without investigating.
|4||High standard of living?||Matthew||RR144||84029|
|Personally, you will find NOTHING in the New Testament scriptures to support such a high standard of living.
Nothing that tells us that the rank and file are to support their "elders" and "deacons" financially, only encouragment.
The Apostle Paul made tents to support his ministry. He said we are not peddlers of the Good News - 2 Co 2:17, also 2 Co 3:12.
|5||What is the most accurate Bible?||Bible general Archive 1||RR144||84027|
|Again you make comments that are false. You have not shown me ONE proof that Rotherham's Emphasize Bible is a Jehovah's Witness Bible.
The Witnesses published the New World Translation. They have also published the King James, American Standard and Holman Linear and Emphatic Diaglott versions, should you tell Jim to stay clear from these also?
Again, show me any proof that Rotherham's is a JW Bible and I will apologize. I have several editions of this Bible, and none of them have a JW connection. Because a particular Church may at one time distribute or even sell a particular translation does not make it "theirs."
The Official translation of the JW's is the New World Translation.
If you still feel this way, I suggest you contact CBD and other prominent Bible sellers and tell them to cease an desist selling this as you say "cultic Bible."
|6||What is the most accurate Bible?||Bible general Archive 1||RR144||84026|
|Again, you're not listening. I never said anything about the New World Translation, I do not recommend it, the New World Translation is NOT Rotherham's translation.
As to your comment about "Hell", you went over my head with that one!
Do me a favor and do some research before you make such asinine comments!
|7||What is the most accurate Bible?||Bible general Archive 1||RR144||84023|
|Seems someone needs to do their research. Rotherham's is NOT a Jehovah's Witness Bible, nor wass he a Jehovah's WItness. Nor am I one of Jehovah's Witnesses.
If Rotherham's is a JW Bible, why does every Christian Bookstore sell it?
Do a search online under Rotherham's Bible, go to the following link for information about this translator: http://beta.studylight.org/info/copyright/bible/reb.html
|8||trinity how does it work?||Bible general Archive 1||RR144||84018|
|how the trinity works?
how is the head of the trinity?
It has three heads, pick one
any and every proven detail
|9||What is the most accurate Bible?||Bible general Archive 1||RR144||84016|
|If we are to encourage, we need to be truthful. There isn't a BIble in print today that does not have a biased slant to it, and while some tranlators have actualy altered text to support their "truths" such as the King James, others have tried to translate according to what they believe is the truth.
I have several translations on my shelves, I do not favor any one, a good Bible student "makes sure of all things."
As to Rotherham's Translation, it was first published in the late 1800s, and is still in orint today.
|10||What is the most accurate Bible?||Bible general Archive 1||RR144||84010|
|I don't think you'll find one. Every translation has some biased in it by the translators. However, it has been said the most accurate Bible would be Rotherham's.
|11||Please explain Revelation 14:12 ?||Rev 14:1||RR144||83984|
|The first five verses of this chapter should more properly be suffixed as a climax to Chapter 13, which relates (13:15) to the death of the last members of the body of Christ because of their refusal to bow the knee to the image of the beast. Their death according to the flesh will result in their change to spirit nature and the completion of the Church beyond the veil of human experience. The 144,000 who stand on Mount
Sion (Zion) represent the glorified Church; hence verse 1 is future in its application.
After Jesus fulfilled his earthly mission, he was laid for a foundation in spiritual Zion,
being a tried (and finished) stone (Isa. 28:16). The temple class is to be completed in like fashion at this end of the age: as tried and finished stones.
It is this Kingdom—symbolized by Mount Zion, toward which all of the Lord’s people march throughout this Gospel Age—that will soon be fully attained. As Moses went up into the quaking mountain the third day (Exod. 19:16–20) and was lost to the sight of the people below, so at and in conjunction with a great time of trouble, the last body members will be, as it were, “caught up,” gathered to the Lord, changed to his likeness. In the Kingdom the Word of the Lord will go forth from Jerusalem, but the
Law will go forth from Zion, the completed and glorified Church (Isa. 2:3; Mic. 4:2).
The very number itself, 144,000, is another indication this verse is future. In Chapter 7 the 144,000 were also mentioned; there the number was said to be “sealed” (Rev. 7:4). “And I heard the number of them which were sealed: and there were sealed an hundred and forty and four thousand of all the tribes of the children of Israel.” Having God’s name written or having His mark branded in their foreheads —permanently fixed there in the most intimate sense—is the same as being sealed. The 144,000 are the sons of God in the highest sense of that term. Only
144,000 are to be sealed, and those who are sealed in the full sense of the word will
make their calling and election sure (2 Pet. 1:10). On this side of the veil the Christian
is in the process of being sealed; where this class is spoken of as having been sealed,
it is an accomplished fact. The latter is a crystallized, finished work in which God’s
name is permanently ingrained in the person’s character.
|12||Verification on Charles Taze Russell||Col 2:9||RR144||83221|
|sigh... okay ... then let me leave you with this:
"We understand these words to imply that in the time of the Lord's presence (the present time--since 1874), through this Antichrist system (one of the principal of Satan's agencies for deceiving and controlling the world), as well as through all his other agencies, the devil will make a most desperate resistance to the new order of things about to be established." - Thy Kingdonm Come 1889 - page 360
again on page 364 of the same book:
"THE Time is at Hand for the establishment of the Redeemer's Kingdom. This is the concurrent testimony of the foregoing chapters. Nothing intervenes. We are already living in the seventh millennium--since Oct. 1872. The lease of power to the Gentile kingdoms must terminate with the year 1914. The great antitypical Jubilee, the Times of Restitution of all things, had its beginning in the year 1874, when the presence of the great Restorer was also due."
In volume four of Studies in the SCriptures he wrote:
"Our Lord, the appointed King, is now present, since October 1874, A. D. according to the testimony of the prophets, to those who have ears to hear it..." - The Battle of Armageddon, 1912 ed., page 621.
These are just a few quotes, in which taught and believed to the day he died in 1916 that the second advent of presence of the Lord began in 1874, the Watchtower after the death of Russel continued to this this which can be seen from the following quotes:
"No one can properly understand the work of God at this present time who does not realize that since 1874, the time of the Lord’s return in power, there has been a complete change in God’s operations." - "The Watchtower, September 15, 1922, p. 278
"The Scriptures show that his second presence was due in 1874…This proof shows that the Lord has been present since 1874…" - The Watchtower, March 1, 1923, p. 67
"The Scriptural proof is that the second presence of the Lord Jesus Christ began in 1874 AD. This proof is specifically set out in the booklet entitled Our Lord's Return." - Prophecy, 1929, p. 65, 66
In 1943 the date was officially chnaged by the Jehovah's Witnesses to 1914, in their own words:
"It is true that the editor and publisher of Zion's Watch Tower and Herald of Christ's Second Presence calculated that the "presence" or parousia of the heavenly bridegroom began in the year 1874 C.E. ...In the year 1943 the Watch Tower Bible and Tract Society published the book "The Truth Shall Make You Free." In its chapter 11, entitled "The Count of Time" it did away with the insertion of 100 years into the period of the Judges and went according to the oldest and most authentic reading of Acts 13:20, and accepted the spelled-out numbers of the Hebrew Scriptures. This moved forward the end of six thousand years of man's existence into the decade of the 1970's. Naturally this did away with the year 1874 C.E." - God's Kingdom Of A Thousand Years Has Approached. 1973. pp. 206, 209
So as you can see, Russell and his Bible Students believed and taught the second advent began in 1874, the Watchtower and their Jehovah's Witnesses changed the date to 1914.
|13||Verification on Charles Taze Russell||Col 2:9||RR144||83210|
|Dear friend, first of all, the name of the book is called "The Time is at Hand" and it was originally published in 1889.
The page number you reference is on the chapter "The Times of the Gentiles" this chapter is NOT about the Lord's second advent. It is about the time when God will turn his anger against the kingdoms of this world and destroy them to replace them with Christ's Kingdom.
Now follw me S L O W L Y ... okay?
Russell NEVER and I repeat NEVER taugfht that the Lord's second advent began in 1914, that is a Jehovah's Witness teaching, NOT a Russell teaching.
Do not confused the "gentiles times" with the "Lord's second Advent" these are two separate subjects.
|14||Verification on Charles Taze Russell||Col 2:9||RR144||83135|
|Well then you will go through life with the wrong information, spreading lies. I think you should re-reseach your information.|
|15||Verification on Charles Taze Russell||Col 2:9||RR144||82974|
|As I have stated a dozen or so times on this subject, what the Jehovah's WItnesss believe an what Russell believed are apples and oranges. Russell never taught the second advent took place in 1914.|
|16||Verification on Charles Taze Russell||Col 2:9||RR144||82936|
|Sorry, nothing in those quotes you gave say anything about Jesus second advent beginnning in 1914. Let me ask, how can you refute what you yourself don't even know? This is truly a case of the blind leading the blind!|
|17||Verification on Charles Taze Russell||Col 2:9||RR144||82929|
|Hmmmm ... can you share with me one comment from the pen of Russell that Jesus returned in 1914? I'd like to see that!|
|18||Verification on Charles Taze Russell||Col 2:9||RR144||82823|
|No, the Jewish system of things was destroyed in 70 AD, Matthew 24 has a double application to the end times of the gospel age.|
|19||Literally 12,000 from each tribe?||Rev 7:4||RR144||82817|
|btw ... it's RR not TR
Why is it sound doctrine to believe that the 144,000 of Re 7:4 and Re 14:1 represent the church and not literal Israelites? The reasons (some better than others, but cumulatively strong) are as follows:
(1) The very fact that Re 7:4 says "of all the tribes of the children of Israel" is reason to believe that it means something else. We are clearly told in Re 1:1 that this message has been "signified" - put into signs and symbols. This is not a literal book, and very little of it says what it means. (The numbers seem to be literal, but not the words they modify. For instance, there are seven trumpets, but while there really are seven, they are not really trumpets.)
(2) Re 7:3 defines the 144,000 as servants of God. Since this was written more than 60 years after the crucifixion, it seems that only Christians would now be called servants.
(3) Re 7:4 seems to use "Israel" much as it was used by the Apostle Paul. In Ro 9:6-8 Paul wants it clearly understood that the name rightly belongs not to Abraham’s descendants after the flesh, but to the faith seed. He continues the concept in Ro 11:26, where it is clear that the gentile church is the first part of "all Israel" the part which will turn ungodliness away from the rest of Israel, the fleshly seed, here symbolized by Jacob. It seems no accident that spiritual Israel is here associated with Zion, even as the 144,000 are with the lamb on Zion in Re 14:1.
Paul continues this usage in 1Co 10:18, where he found it needful to refer to natural Israel as "Israel after the flesh": knowing that his Corinthian hearers considered themselves "Israel" even though they weren’t "after the flesh" Ga 6:16 carries on the same practice in reverse, where he calls the church "the Israel of God" (Jew and gentile alike), since Israel after the flesh had mostly rejected the gospel.
(4) Re 14:1 (in addition to identifying spiritual Israel with Zion as in Ro 11:26) says that the 144,000 have "His name (the Lamb’s) and His Father’s name." (The King James does not so read, but the old manuscripts do.)This again establishes the Christian character development of this group.
(5) Re 14:3 gives more pertinent information regarding the 144,000. Only they could learn the "new song" Is it reasonable that the church cannot learn this song? Note also that they are "redeemed from the earth." Now compare this verse with Re 5:9, 10. The lamb redeems the new reigning priesthood (the church) - and, it is again associated with the "new song."
(6) In Re 14:4 is a convincing list suggesting the identity of the 144,000. They are not defiled with women (churches) - suggesting that, though they may have been associated with or identified with these "women ‘ " the pollutions did not rub off. They are "virgins" (as in the Wise and Foolish Virgin parable). The symbol of spiritual virginity seems applicable only to Christians who wait for their Bridegroom, not to Israel after the flesh who was married to God! Jer 31:32) These are "followers of the Lamb," ie., disciples. These are firstfruits - a term used clearly in the New Testament only as a symbol of the Church. (1Co 15:23; Jas 1:18)
(7) Re 14:5 could be a problem. The church is not "before the throne," but on it. Fortunately this phrase is spurious, not being in the old manuscripts.
(8) Lastly, consider the import of the number. Of what consequence would it be to know 144,000 Jews would be faithful to God suddenly at the end of the age? The information seems worthless. However, to know the size of the true church is information of great value - something to spur us on to faithfulness. The "size" of the New Jerusalem (Re 21:10-17) makes use in various ways of the number. Is this an accident? Is it not unusual that as early as Ge 15:13 the number is implied? (400 years of 360 days each equal 144,000 days.) It may even be that the Lord selected the number 40 as the symbol for a complete period of trial because it has 14,400 days.
(Many scriptural Numbers appear to have significance only when multiplied by 10 or by 100 or by 1000.)
In summary, it is much easier Scripturally to justify 144,000 as the size of the Church than as a number of Jews at the end of the age. Not only are the evidences compelling, but the results have more significance.
|20||Verification on Charles Taze Russell||Col 2:9||RR144||82808|
|Let me just say that befoe the Kingdom can be fully established, the old system must be destroyed, this is a gradual work.|
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