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21 | Genesis,chapters1-4:True accounts or not | Genesis | wak | 35685 | ||
I never picked up on that specifically. That's a good insight. The overall flow of Genesis I think is the best indication that Genesis may be sound blow-by-blow history. Again, I don't think God HAD to limit himself to historic precision. Perhaps creation took only seven seconds rather than 7 days or 700 billion years. I don't know. (and I don't its that important in the end) My point is not to start the 1001st argument about fossils and young earth but to say that God did not have to limit himself to literal historical truth in Genesis 1-4 to communicate his Truths and therefore the Bible is still reliable* if Genesis is not a precise literal history lesson. Is my postulate wrong? Thanks *I think that's very important in the end |
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22 | Genesis,chapters1-4:True accounts or not | Genesis | wak | 35732 | ||
Hey Tim Nope, not arguing for a purpose... just trying to reconcile Genesis 1- 4 with 99 percent(?) of the scientists and 65 percent(?) of clergy. I guess it's like like Free Will and "who does God's grace apply to"... no clear cut answers. Just good people doing their best to fiqure out answers My percents are just rough estimates |
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23 | How far would you go in a translation? | Gen 1:1 | wak | 32992 | ||
I know when I was in desperate times in earlier years, a number of times I went to (the only bible we had) the KJV for comfort and wisdom, but just plainly didn't understand a word of it. Imagine how frustrating and very sad that is!. I didn't go back to a Bible for years because of that frustration. I firmly believe if I had picked up an NLT instead back then, I wouldn't have wasted soo many years before being reborn. I believe, because of my limitations; education, patience, etc., that the NASB would not have serve me nearly as well as the NLT ... NLT made a big difference in my life I think many (the majority?)of prospective new Christians need to be spoon (milk?) fed. Think of the literacy of the inner city schools just as one of too many examples. I am limited, but I do see a lot of insularity here... people lost in the trees. Is pedantic the right word ? Wasn't Christ a Populist? Weren't the apostles simple people,virtually illiterate? I'm not critizing or passing judgement, just giving the perspective of a banal Christain on the outside looking in. Positives here? What a resource of knowledege. Many people here are brillant. I can't get over the logic and diciplined dialogues where gems of truth can be found. The Archives are rich with the Word and insights. God's work is being done. Great Stuff! |
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24 | How far would you go in a translation? | Gen 1:1 | wak | 33083 | ||
kalos, thanks for relating. I have graduated from the NLT to NIV and to a leaser degree NASB. I just think we have to very careful about the Christians who do need to be spoon-fed. Isn't God's, hands down, absolute, # 1 goal, to reconcile as many as possible to him. Don't know a particular verse... just an impression. Do I need a verse? I agree with you about the Art analogy, but when I first start reading that NLT it was like Rembrandt to me. Again the child doesn't appreciate high literature or poetry (KJV). They just need Paul's milk... and grow from that. I do read the RSV for the power of the words... the literary merit?... but I don"t study it. I looked at KJV recently, but still don't "get it" Evidence on the assertion that the apostles (fisherman) were virtually illiterate? No, just an impression of a drum beat through-out the NT of the Apostles as polar opposites of the learned religious scholars. Doesn't it scream out to you ? It's not exactly subtle. I would guess the written words were not common to fisherman... that their knowledge was based on memorization. Even Jesus, did he write anything? Just a rhetorical question... I think tone (the drumbeat?) is more important than nuance (a snare?), because God says the important things over and over again. You can't miss them, even in the NLT. God Bless You,kalos |
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25 | Howcould Jesus / John the B be strangers | Matthew | wak | 32599 | ||
Thanks Joel, forgot the Bible reference. New here. Actually it was John 1:31..."I myself do not know him". But I just found my answer on the notes for John 1:33 | ||||||
26 | Is there nothing we can do? | Matthew | wak | 38680 | ||
What's so tremendous about God loving "some" people. Even I love some people. That's easy. Didn't Christ say someplace in the Bible that loving some is easy, loving everybody is the hard part. Do you think God would ask us to do something that he doesn't do himself? |
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27 | Is there nothing we can do? | Matthew | wak | 38720 | ||
No difficulties. I just thought you originally said God loved only some people. Therefore, died on the cross only for some people and some sins. Glad we cleared that up! Jesus was very precise on what his most important commandment was and I would think he would follow that commandment himself. Even one the Pharasees (who was close to heaven) fiqured that out. |
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28 | Was John the baptist doubting? | Luke 7:19 | wak | 38486 | ||
My opinion: John the Baptist was human. He had faith. He believed Christ was the Messiah. He did not absolutely "know" Christ was the Messiah. So, he struggled with his faith ... he questioned... just like all humans. That's one of the best things about the Bible: it doesn't sweep people's questioning or doubts under the carpet. There may be a reason for that. |
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29 | why is Acts 2:44 not practiced today | Acts 2:44 | wak | 38180 | ||
Was the church ever that selfless or not concern with position/ambition? I think of James and John's Mom asking about her son's rank, right after Christ announces his upcomong death! Can you get any more selfish (or crass) then THAT... even in 2002? Just read yesterday where Paul couldn't send anyone but Timothy to the Philippians (2:21) because " they ALL seek after their own interest, not those of Christ". Think about that; even in Paul's own inner circle(the best!) in the supposedly idyllic selfless church no christian could make the grade. Somehow, I find that comforting. Thank God for grace. (did someone ask earlier, if you could be a christian and be in sin?) There's no reason to pine for the past. For the most part, it's always been the best of times and the worst of times...in 100AD or 2002AD. Has there ever been a generation of preachers who didn't think it was the worst of times? |
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30 | Does Christ stand alone for salvation?? | Acts 4:12 | wak | 33383 | ||
Paul or anyone else: Pragmatically speaking, what about the 65 percent of the U.S.population?: - who have faith in Jesus's salvation (grace) thru the cross -do some nice things for others (WORKS) - live somewhat better moral lives than their neighbor because of their faith - don't read the Bible, but trust in the main 3 or 4 messages - talk to Jesus (pray) usually only if something is very good or very bad. Are they saved under your definition? |
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31 | Good-bye, NIV | 2 Tim 3:16 | wak | 32870 | ||
Well, if the TNIV makes a dent in the ALL pervasive image of God has a wise old man with a white beard, then it's all for the good | ||||||
32 | Good-bye, NIV | 2 Tim 3:16 | wak | 32891 | ||
I'm sorry, I wasn' talking tranlations, but reality (Is that allowed?). I would guess that 99 percent of Christians (including me) ,at some level, see God has the classic wise, white, old man. We assign God a race and a gender. Is my guess far off? Is my reality wrong,based on anyone else's interaction with Christians? Maybe it's just the circle of Christians I run with. If the Bible Society,with the TNIV, is taking a step in challenging that illusion... then great! I don't think any souls will be lost. And some souls may be saved... women who don't like to think of themselves has the B team. Maybe, I'm wrong. Do people here believe God is male ( Adam , my image etc?) I'm certainly no expert, and am open to other opinions. Don't take it personally, I just think TNIV may bring more people to God. |
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33 | Good-bye, NIV | 2 Tim 3:16 | wak | 32977 | ||
But that's exactly the most promising aspect of the TNIV decision... What is in the Bible Society's heart??? It's not money as Joe and kalos stated, it certainly is not a popular decision, they can't be pandering to the liberals and the feminist niche... the downside is way too steep...they lose the center,the base. They have to be alienating virtually all of the academically minded. What are they THINKING??? Perhaps, the Society members are simply making an unpopular decision based on the courage of their convictions after much prayer. It doesn't strike me as a worldly decision. . |
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34 | Good-bye, NIV | 2 Tim 3:16 | wak | 33003 | ||
Regarding the "Promise": the International Bible Society states clearly that they are producing a gender accurate Bible, not a gender neutral Bible . I haven"t seen anything here to refute that. Regarding the big dollars: I assume IBS is non-profit and has the Best interest of the Bible (and ALL of its users) as their primary goal. |
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35 | Good-bye, NIV | 2 Tim 3:16 | wak | 33078 | ||
Thanks Hank, overall you make a good point, the problem is that everyone is going to put their spin on this Topic. I "assume" IBS will also have their 26 (or 126 scholars) signing off etc...not a risky assumtion. It's too early to get objective opinions, particularly on the merits of the entirity of the TNIV project... not just then hand picked verses from both sides. Time gives perspective, which I think you might have mentioned earlier. Re: BIG dollars Of course, Zondervan is for profit. I "assumed" that when I forked over 60 dollars for a Bible. I never mentioned Zondervan, they're the delivery boy, not the decision maker (or translator). IBS is non profit...here's a cut/paste: "The International Bible Society was founded in 1809 as a non-profit ministry to serve the Church in evangelism and discipleship by taking the Scriptures around the world, with a focus on larger people groups. This includes the "Let There Be Light" program to launch 35 new translations of the Bible in the next six years, equivalent to the addition of one-tenth of all of the languages into which the entire Bible has been translated since time of Christ." ---------------------------------------- I'll go back to my original statement: "I assume IBS is non-profit and has the Best interest of the Bible (and ALL of its users) as their primary goal." I'm not saying IBS made the right decision... I don't know that yet. What I am saying is that,overall, their heart is in the right place. Because, frankly, it is such a BAD "business" decision!!! Reverse logic? |
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36 | Good-bye, NIV | 2 Tim 3:16 | wak | 33123 | ||
Hey Hank, the ocean's saltiness is an objective fact... not a matter of opinion... I don't think the uselessness of the TNIV is a fact 3 days after it's release. Again; just assuming. You know, this debating is almost too much fun... it must be sinful:) Imagine the "debate" that went on at the IBS from the many scholars of different persuasions who have devoted their LIVES to translation. Boy, would I have liked to have been a fly on the walls at the IBS. It had to be bloody (blood on the verses vs. Blood on the Tracks? God Bless you, Hank |
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37 | Good-bye, NIV | 2 Tim 3:16 | wak | 33131 | ||
Reformer Joe, are you being serious or sarcastic with your statement below: "A lot of the changes are defended by their efforts to "make clearer" the doctrine that is found in Scripture. Since theology is subject to interpretation from the text itself, wouldn't it be wiser to be as faithful as possible to the original Hebrew, Aramaic, and Greek and let the church itself be occupied with the proper interpretation of the text?" My guess is you don't want any translations of the Bible for the unwashed masses. But you could be also using sarcasm very effectively to make a great point for the opposite viewpoint. Wish I had thought of it. (Sorry for my minor nastiness but it reflects my reaction to your statement,not you. I've learned a lot from many of your posts in the archieves. Even the saved/not saved stuff was good, until it got personal) God Bless you |
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38 | Good-bye, NIV | 2 Tim 3:16 | wak | 33135 | ||
I use to think that way until I had a daughter. I want her to have every opportunity. I Don't think you can over estimate the power of language, consciously and subconsciously, over time. Someone said (Lou Holtz?), if you pee on a big rock long enough, you'll put a hole in it. Talking the power of words here ,not the Bible God Bless you |
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39 | Fear God! | 1 Pet 1:17 | wak | 35800 | ||
Hank I agree with your overall point ... balance is needed... but I also think of the 80/20 rule. My sense is that the average preachers of Edward's time were preaching 80 percent fear, don't(s) and sin and 20 percent Love, do's and grace. Today's preachers have reverse that, 80 percent love, etc. and 20 percent fear, etc. Needless to say, God's message needs to be balance. but if I had to pick in the "real world" (please,don't recite the ideal) I'll take the typical 2002 preacher over the typical 19th century preacher. I guess I'm even more wary of nostalgia " the good old days", than I am of the baby boomer mentality. |
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40 | Fear God! | 1 Pet 1:17 | wak | 35845 | ||
Hank To answer your question directly if the 80/20 rule applies to God's Shepard's (like widgets), I would ballpark it and say that 80 percent of preachers, preach a biased message. I wholeheartily agree with you that it should be 100/0, but even the Christian world doesn't work that way. I doubt it ever has... even from day 1. |
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