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1 | Does the Father have a God? | John 1:1 | STTIL | 137535 | ||
Be careful about which Unitarians you are talking about. There are Biblical Unitarians who believe just as you do about God and His Word, except for Jesus Christ being part of a trinity. Because it isn't allowed in this forum, I will not go into the details of that belief, but if one were to go to the Scriptures with meekness instead of preconcieved ideas made by man (Like the Nicene Creed) you might be surprised by what you find. The Nicene Creed came about because of an argument between a bishop and his assistant in the time of Constantine, although the trinitarian belief has its roots in Gnosticism, starting with Justin Martyr in response to the persecution of Emperor Trajan, trying to explain the Christian religion in term the Greeks could understand using phrases from the Greek philosophers Plato, Aristotle, and Socrates. Irenaeus, a bishop of Lyons furthered the view, along with Tertullian of Carthage. There are a few others along the way before the Council of Nicea met, made and signed the Nicene Creed. I can tell you this, if you think to convince a Biblical Unitarian to believe in the Trinity, it won't work. Most Unitarians are converted Trinitarians and most already know every verse you can show them in support of the Trinity, because they used them (the verses) trying to defend the Trinity themselves. Just FYI. |
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2 | Does the Father have a God? | John 1:1 | STTIL | 137548 | ||
Because I enjoy this forum, have found answers to my own questions by reading posts I will not put into any post any specific statements that are against the rules of this forum, (at least not on purpose). I suggest that if Trinitarianism is true it can stand up to Unitarianism. My personal belief in the Trinity isn't up for discussion. I will not debate the deity of Christ. | ||||||
3 | Does the Father have a God? | John 1:1 | STTIL | 137554 | ||
I have studied the affect of Gnosticism on Christianity in the early 2nd and 3rd centuries, along with other influences. Because those that translated the known manuscripts into Greek, Latin, and then English came after this influence, there is a good probability of Gnostic influence in the translations. The key is letting the Scriptures interpret themselves, speak for themselve and hopefully losing that Gnostic influence. | ||||||
4 | Does the Father have a God? | John 1:1 | STTIL | 137563 | ||
I do not presume to say that Unitarianism is any less or more tainted by Gnoticism than any other view, only that Christianity as a whole is tainted by it and only the Scriptures in their original God inspired form is free from that influence and that as workman we must recognize that Gnostic influence exists in what we have available to us today. | ||||||
5 | Does the Father have a God? | John 1:1 | STTIL | 137566 | ||
I know a lot of Biblical Unitarians, and those that don't call themselves that but still don't believe in the Trinity and I can tell you each and everyone of them that I know are beyond a shadow of a doubt Christian. (Christian - Christ in; Col 1:27) and none of them are Jehovah's Witnesses, I don't know any Jehovah's Witnesses personally. | ||||||
6 | Does the Father have a God? | John 1:1 | STTIL | 137577 | ||
There are no known originals in existance today. The oldest know manuscripts of the New Testament are Greek. Are they copies of or translations of the originals? A lot of versions of the English translations were revised as new manuscripts were discovered, since the Greek manuscripts differ in what they say. Were the differences errors by the scribes making the copy or differences in translation? How can we know for sure. [This is not meant to express an opinion about the Divine authority of any particular Greek manuscript, or any translation, or version] | ||||||
7 | Does the Father have a God? | John 1:1 | STTIL | 137585 | ||
Just so you know, no Biblical Unitarian would say, sing or think this. | ||||||
8 | Does the Father have a God? | John 1:1 | STTIL | 137588 | ||
Eternal realities, Life after death, Logos, just to name a few. Look at SOME of the differences between Catholic and Protestant and you will find SOME of the shedding of Gnosticism. Before anyone gets up in arms I am not saying that Catholics practice Gnosticism, or any other Christian group practices Gnosticism. | ||||||
9 | Does the Father have a God? | John 1:1 | STTIL | 137591 | ||
Christian is not a practice it is what God wrought in Christ in the born-again one, it is Christ-in, Col 1:27. It is what (figure of speech coming here) scares the living daylights out of Satan everytime someone is born-again. With that said, my daily walk is based on the God inspired Scriptures. | ||||||
10 | Does the Father have a God? | John 1:1 | STTIL | 137592 | ||
Christian is not a practice it is what God wrought in Christ in the born-again one, it is Christ-in, Col 1:27. It is what (figure of speech coming here) scares the living daylights out of Satan everytime someone is born-again. With that said, my daily walk is based on the God inspired Scriptures. | ||||||
11 | Does the Father have a God? | John 1:1 | STTIL | 137598 | ||
simply put Gnoticism being very concerned with a reason for good and evil, believe that all matter is evil and anything spiritual is good. Gnostics believe a renegade spirit called wisdom created the material world and the body being matter (and therefore evil) has trapped pieces of the spiritual. The Gnostic believes that every person has a spark of the spiritual trapped in the body asleep and it takes a special being to come from beyond to awaken "us". This ties into 1 and 2 above in that Greek philosopher Socrates expounded on the immortality of the soul, Justin used that to try to explain the eternal life a Christian receives at the new birth. in Greek philosophy and Gnosticism, "logos" supplies ideas, the mind will discover ideas by logos. The word logos meant word, giver of light, a being able to impart knowledge, they believed that logos enabled the humans to understand reality. |
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12 | Does the Father have a God? | John 1:1 | STTIL | 137601 | ||
Not that I am aware of. Let me see if I can explain. I base my life on the revealed Will of God, His Word. I understand the influence of hundreds of years on the translations I use, (which I usually start with the KJV and work from there) I also am studying Greek and a limited amount of Hebrew. I have also studied some on the history of the Christian church. I have studied on mannerism and customs of the Eastern people, as well as figures of speech, etc. All these studies are on going. Right now I am working through a study on "The God of the Scriptures", a work on the names and titles of God in Hebrew. I am working through a study on "A Man Accredited by God"; and working through a study on revelation (not the book of Revelation). If in my study I find my walk doesn't line up with what the Word says, I change me. Does that answer your question? | ||||||
13 | Does the Father have a God? | John 1:1 | STTIL | 137604 | ||
Christians are called Christian based on the Christian belief that when you are born-again you have Christ-in (col 1:27). Any other definition of Christian, isn't Christian. Biblical Unitarians do not deny eternal punishment nor the vicarious atonement of Jesus. A Biblical Unitarian believe "pneuma hagios" is God the giver and His gift. Biblical Unitarians believe in God the Father and creator, in Jesus Christ the Son of God, the Lamb of God who came to take away the sins of the world. The same Son that He gave because He loved (agape) us. That whosoever believes in him shall not perish but have everlasting life. The same Son that God raised from the dead on the third day and is now sitting at the right hand of God as mediator and intecessor. The same Son with whom we are joint-heirs to the promise of God the Father, by His grace and mercy to all who believe. | ||||||
14 | Does the Father have a God? | John 1:1 | STTIL | 137605 | ||
Do you think so? Why? Not rhetorical, I would honestly like to know what makes you think that. In His Love, |
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15 | Does the Father have a God? | John 1:1 | STTIL | 137607 | ||
Forgot to include: the same Son that willing gave Himself for torture and execution for our redemtion. | ||||||
16 | Does the Father have a God? | John 1:1 | STTIL | 137615 | ||
I never said that what you have is tainted and what I have is not. The entire Word of God guides me, not one specific piece. I don't claim to know it all and I don't wrap anything in mysticisim. I'm not saying that I or anyone else is better or worse, I'm not saying that you or anyone else doesn't walk in the Word. I'm not saying that only one group of people, whether it is Unitarian or Trinitarian has the "special" knowledge that leads to salvation. It's all right there in God's Word, we as workman, just need to let It speak for Itself. | ||||||
17 | Does the Father have a God? | John 1:1 | STTIL | 137616 | ||
no that is not what I am saying. I said that Socrates expounded on the immortality of the soul and that Justin used that to explain to the Greeks about the eternal life of the new birth each Christian receives when they are born again. Don't read into what I am saying what you think I am saying. | ||||||
18 | Does the Father have a God? | John 1:1 | STTIL | 137624 | ||
Yes, digging, although my favorite way of putting it is "searching the Scriptures daily"! :-) 1)No, I don't dig entirely by myself (not that you could tell that by my desk), but I do make sure that everything I find in "somebody else's survey" is accurate according to the Word of God. In my profile I have listed several sites, I don't agree with absolutely everything on every site, however most of the sites I do go to subscribe to the same view of *how* the Bible interprets itself. 2)How many do you want, how much time do you have? I just put together an Excel worksheet on just some of the truths about Jesus and there are over 213 of them, just in that small endeavor. However some important truths in my life are Genesis 3:15 And I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and between thy seed and her seed; it shall bruise thy head, and thou shalt bruise his heel. Matthew 3:17 And lo a voice from heaven, saying, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased. Matt 27:50 Jesus, when he had cried again with a loud voice, yielded up the ghost. Acts 2:31 He seeing this before spake of the resurrection of Christ, that his soul was not left in hell, neither his flesh did see corruption. 32 This Jesus hath God raised up, whereof we all are witnesses. 33 Therefore being by the right hand of God exalted, and having received of the Father the Promise of the Holy Ghost, he hath shed forth this, which ye now see and hear. Acts 2:36 Therefore let all the house of Israel know assuredly, that God hath made that same Jesus, whom ye have crucified, both Lord and Christ. Romans 1:3 Concerning his Son Jesus Christ our Lord, which was made of the seed of David according to the flesh; 4 And declared to be the Son of God with power, according to the spirit of holiness, by the resurrection from the dead: 5 By whom we have received grace and apostleship, for obedience to the faith among all nations, for his name: 6 Among whom are ye also the called of Jesus Christ: Rom 8:35 Who shall separate us from the love of Christ? Shall... Eph 3:17 That Christ may dwell in your hearts by faith; that ye, being rooted and grounded in love, 18 May be able to comprehend with all saints what is the breadth, and length, and depth, and height; 19 And to know the love of Christ, which passeth knowledge, that ye might be filled with all the fulness of God. Eph 5:1 Be ye therefore followers of God, as dear children; 2 And walk in love, as Christ also hath loved us, and hath given himself for us an offering and a sacrifice to God for a sweetsmelling savour. Col 1:27 To whom God would make known what is the riches of the glory of this mystery among the Gentiles; which is Christ in you, the hope of glory: 1 Pet 2:24 Who his own self bare our sins in his own body on the tree, that we, being dead to sins, should live unto righteousness: by whose stripes ye were healed. Heb 12:2 Looking unto Jesus the author and finisher of our faith; who for the joy that was set before him endured the cross, despising the shame, and is set down at the right hand of the throne of God. 1 Pet 1:18 Forasmuch as ye know that ye were not redeemed with corruptible things, as silver and gold, from your vain conversation received by tradition from your fathers; 19 But with the precious blood of Christ, as of a lamb without blemish and without spot: 1 John 1:3 That which we have seen and heard declare we unto you, that ye also may have fellowship with us: and truly our fellowship is with the Father, and with his Son Jesus Christ. 1 John 2:1 My little children, these things write I unto you, that ye sin not. And if any man sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous: And oh so many more, but I only have so much space. In His Love, |
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19 | Does the Father have a God? | John 1:1 | STTIL | 137637 | ||
The mystery doesn't owe anything to the explanation. Aroung the time of Justin Martyr, the Christians were being pursecuted, Justin was just trying to make it better for the Christians. I can't say that I have read anything by N.T. Wright, the name doesn't ring a bell. I'll look into it. |
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20 | 2 Cor 4:4 | 2 Cor 4:4 | STTIL | 137532 | ||
["why God would blind anyone – He blinded them so that He might extend His grace out to all the world"] That's like saying, "I'm a doctor so I'm going to shoot you so I can save you." God is Light and in Him is no (no, none, nada, zilch, absolutely zero) darkness. If everything that Satan does was ascribe to Satan by name instead of the figures of speech that are used both in Old and New Testament, then the bulk of the Bible would be about Satan instead of God and Christ. There is a documented figure of speech used ascribing to God the acts of Satan. Context helps us to determine whether the Word means God our Father, or if it is a figure of speech. |
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