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221 | Rowdy What part of the OT do you abolish | Matt 5:17 | Rowdy | 121624 | ||
I'll answer your question with a question. Which portion of the OT are you NOT following? When and where do you sacrifice animals every day? How do you trace your lineage back to Abraham? Do you coordinate your sacrifices with the Levites? How do know they're true Levites? Do you support men's option to divorce their wives with a simple letter? No need for guilt of any kind? Do you support your fellow man's option to secure "eye for eye or tooth for tooth" in retribution for wrongs done to him? If you DON'T do these things? Please tell me how do you live by and enforce only a portion of the OT? Do you treat the NT similarly in spite of the Lord's command otherwise? And of course, please provide scriptural references for each of these points. How do you reconcile the verse above with the one I cited in my post, Col 2:14. How do you reconcile the contrast between the OT and the NT throughout the Book of Hebrews? As I stated in my post, I don't wish to abolish the OT but merely recognize It for what It was and this is the Law of Moses, notice the use of word Old vs. New. Even the group who organized the current Bible known as the canon recognized the Old Testament was obsolete as that expression must have originated with them. No, we dare NOT dismiss the OT but cling to It with every fiber of our being. As I stated in a previous post a month or more ago, without the OT we wouldn't be able to understand completely the NT nor would we have its beauty in the poetical books of Psalms or Song of Solomon. We would lose out completely by NOT knowing the creation of the world or how God dealt with His Family of Jews, sometimes kindly and merciful and sometimes with harshness and severity, at least by human standards. No dear friend, we must cling to our OTs so that we can know God more intimately than we see Him in the NT. Remember He gave Christ the preiminance as mentioned already in Hebrews. He also gave Him all authority. So how do you reconcile Matt 28 AND the transfiguration in Matt 17, Mark 9 and Luke 9? You might notice as I think it's quite significant that all three Gospel writers thought it was significant to mention the detail about God's instruction to them and to us, the whole world "Listen to Him." He didn't say anything about Elijah or Moses who were standing beside Jesus but God says "Listen to His Son." I don't see how I could any more clear about this subject. I've said all I can think to be germaine about this subject. But I'd be interested in what you think, especially the questions to the above. It all boils down to authority. Who are you, I and the rest of the world going to recognize as having authority in this dispensation? Just as Peter discovered while walking on water, if we'll keep our focus on Jesus, we're great, we can take on the whole world of sin. But if we listen to anyone else and take our focus off Him, then we lose our balance and have to depend on His mercy. He would much rather see us grow spiritually and learn to rely on Him instead of "falling into the hand of God" unprepared. I do hope this helps in your understanding and God bless. --Rowdy |
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222 | Rowdy, NO, Answer my question first | Matt 5:17 | Rowdy | 121725 | ||
I acknowledge your post but this is kind of a weak response to my statement. Do you have more coming? How about addressing all the scriptures and the points in my original post on this thread and all the ones in between. I was really expecting a much more thorough response, point by point. God bless. --Rowdy | ||||||
223 | Rowdy, NO, Answer my question first | Matt 5:17 | Rowdy | 121729 | ||
The concept obsolete is clearly implied by assigning the word Old to that collection, especially when the word New is assigned to the Gospels and the other NT writings. Repeated for reference: "Now I need to emphasize I'm not saying we can dismiss the OT entirely. As Kalos has stated so eloquently, the OT is quoted extensively throughout the NT as Jesus was the fulfillment of the prophecies contained in the OT. What I am saying is that the OT has no place in our lives to speak with AUTHORITY about religious issues, especially with regard to the differences we see between the OT and the NT. Jesus and Jesus alone is the Authority as His Words AND the Words spoken and written by His official representatives, the Apostles were blessed as being authoritative by Jesus Himself and the Holy Spirit. Thus the OT is a wonderful and majestic document, compelling in its teaching and history, showing us how God dealt with His children then and giving us a glimpse of how He'll deal with us in our future. The OT helps us understand the NT for that's where most of the NT writers originated. Thus their background and their secondary motivation is better understood. BUT their primary focus and motivation was the Lord and Savior, Jesus Christ." I think I've also answered rather thoroughly your other question. I'm NOT (repeat) I'm NOT suggesting abolishing the OT; quite the opposite as shown above. What I AM DEFINITELY saying is only that which comes from God, Jesus and His Apostles: The AUTHORITY for the OT is GONE; it is no more so that the OT is no longer on a par with the NT. I keep repeating myself until I begin to look like an idiot. Why is it you keep forcing me to do this? Please look over my previous post; it's clear and straight forward. It's simple with several Bible scriptures in clear support. I await your more thorough response. God bless. --Rowdy |
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224 | Old Testament/New Testament | Matt 5:17 | Rowdy | 121731 | ||
Searcher, I know you're a better Bible student than this. Why are you playing these games? Copied for reference: "He also gave Him all authority. So how do you reconcile Matt 28 AND the transfiguration in Matt 17, Mark 9 and Luke 9? You might notice as I think it's quite significant that all three Gospel writers thought it was significant to mention the detail about God's instruction to them and to us, the whole world 'Listen to Him.' He didn't say anything about Elijah or Moses who were standing beside Jesus but God says 'Listen to His Son.'" Let's agree to act with some modicum of maturity and get to the actual issues at hand. Please respond to the points of my post as ALL the scriptures have been provided in the past. I'm sure you know them as well as I do. God bless. --Rowdy |
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225 | Rowdy, NO, Answer my question first | Matt 5:17 | Rowdy | 121733 | ||
Searcher, you've been on this Forum since May 2001 and have posted over 6200 posts to the Forum. I really think you're just pulling my chain, right? But maybe it might be beneficial for Forum newcomers to go over this. Go to my post no 121624 and copy it in its entirety and paste it into your response to it. From there, you can answer all my questions with separate paragraphs and scriptures in support. Natually, you can delete all my statements, just deal with my questions. If you wish to discuss or argue about my statements, I would suggest the same procedure except delete what you like and leave my statements for reference. You can make your counter statements with scriptures in support. I do hope this game of tag is going to stop now. I'm looking forward to a really good exchange of posts reflecting our maturity and respect for God's Word and each other. God bless. --Rowdy |
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226 | Rowdy What part of the OT do you abolish | Matt 5:17 | Rowdy | 121746 | ||
Now, we're making substantial progress. Although, some of your answers are a little weak as cited but I guess you can see that for yourself. Now all that is left is the few points below: How do you reconcile Paul's teaching in Col 2:14? "If you DON'T do these things, please tell me how do you live by and enforce only a portion of the OT?" You still haven't explained from the scriptures any justification for picking and choosing which portion from the OT and NT you want to follow. Don't you see, the only way a person could possibly defend keeping the OT is to observe the WHOLE thing. "Do you treat the NT similarly in spite of the Lord's command otherwise? I believe we should follow the NT" Your response seems to be contradictory to your previous statement. Do you follow the OT or NT when they're in conflict? i.e. divorce and marriage. Remember we're being honest and Bible based. "Remember He gave Christ the preiminance as mentioned already in Hebrews. He also gave Him all authority. So how do you reconcile Matt 28 AND the transfiguration in Matt 17, Mark 9 and Luke 9? You might notice as I think it's quite significant that all three Gospel writers thought it was significant to mention the detail about God's instruction to them and to us, the whole world "Listen to Him." He didn't say anything about Elijah or Moses who were standing beside Jesus but God says "Listen to His Son." You also haven't completed your response to the story of the transfiguration of Jesus as cited above. How does this square with your putting the OT side by side with the NT when God Almighty clearly said "Listen to Him?" You didn't touch on the contrast between the two, OT and the NT with reference to the day of worship, Sabbath vs. the first day of the week. How can you reconcile these two separate items of guidance? From a previous thread: How do you reconcile the new guidance in the NT concerning forgiveness to our enemies when the OT clearly allows a man to seek retribution, "eye for an eye, tooth for a tooth." Matt 5:38-44 vs. Ex 21:24, Lev 24:20 and Deut 19:21. "It all boils down to authority. Who are you, I and the rest of the world going to recognize as having authority in this dispensation? Just as Peter discovered while walking on water, if we'll keep our focus on Jesus, we're great, we can take on the whole world of sin. But if we listen to anyone else and take our focus off Him, then we lose our balance and have to depend on His mercy. He would much rather see us grow spiritually and learn to rely on Him instead of "falling into the hand of God" unprepared." I know it wasn't a specific point in my post but I alluded to the concept briefly just above. How do you reconcile the fact the NT puts so much emphasis on Christ, indeed God put Him in charge of everything, "all authority" from Matt 28? How does this square with the OT with its obvious emphasis on the Law of Moses? God bless. --Rowdy |
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227 | Old Testament/New Testament | Matt 5:17 | Rowdy | 121751 | ||
I mentioned this kind of response to Kalos a week or so ago as he submitted the same verse in a similar thread of discussion. It's a foregone conclusion for a great number of christians at least in my world that the word fulfill means something entirely different from the way you and Kalos understand it. To me (and them) it simply means that Christ did FULFILL it completely by living the Perfect Life. He proved to His Father and to us His children that perfect obedience to all the Law of Moses could be observed. But just like it means in today's vernacular, when we fulfill something, it means it's complete, we can put it on a shelf. It's a done deal; a complete project, signed, sealed and delivered. That's the most important thing He meant when He said on the cross "It's finished." His ministry had been completed and He took the authority of the OT with him to that cross. So now the AUTHORITY of the OT is dead and notice it didn't get resurrected like our Lord did as it didn't have a life of its own. Matt 28 cites a episode that took place AFTER the cross, His death AND His resurrection so yes, I'm afraid that's exactly what I'm saying. God said in effect He gave ALL authority to His Son to rule this dispensation as He sees fit. And He chose to delegate at least some of that authority when he commissioned the disciples with the endorsement from the Holy Spirit in Acts 2. Christ gave them this delegation of authority in Matt 18:18. God bless. --Rowdy |
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228 | From the pen of an antinomian | Matt 5:17 | Rowdy | 121773 | ||
Is this your way of responding or using God's Word, rightly dividing the Words of Truth? Interesting but I don't see any specific scriptures dealing with the points of my posts and the scriptures I've cited in support. I would have to say this is very close to ridicule and should not be allowed on the Forum but alas for your sake, I'm not a watcher or protector of the Forum. Still, I would invite you to respond like a Christ-like gentleman and offer up scriptures as suggested above. Can you sum up the courage for such a worthy goal? I still pray for God's blessings on your continued study of God's Word. -Rowdy |
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229 | From the pen of an antinomian | Matt 5:17 | Rowdy | 121814 | ||
I guess you're seeing the exasperation and frustration of an old man. We keep quoting scriptures to each other back and forth, neither one able to understand how the other came to his own conclusion or interpretation of God's Word. Once again, I'll repeat myself: I'm NOT saying the OT has been destroyed or done away with. I am saying that's its AUTHORITY has been done away by nailing it to the cross with Jesus. I really can't explain to your satisfaction why there's a contrast between the verses you quote and the ones I quote. So I'll guess we'll have to agree to disagree and still walk away as friends. I'm willing to allow the Forum readers/participants read for themselves our posts and the related scriptures and come to their own conclusions. However, I will do my usual and let you have the last word in defending your position. I'm done with this thread, at least for now. God bless in your continued study of this and all the rest of God's Word. --Rowdy |
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230 | Rowdy, NO, Answer my question first | Matt 5:17 | Rowdy | 121835 | ||
So why don't you fill in the blanks here and tell me how you deal with all the questions I posed in my original post in this thread and all the other questions in between. Think of it as a checklist, and also check out the scriptures I cited. First of all, I'll have to admit as I've done in my other post to Kalos, I don't have all the answers, especially those scriptures that do seem to support your side of the argument moreso than they do mine. But I must admit since the OT is designated Old and the NT is New, I'll go with the regime of our Lord and Master, Savior and Redeemer, Jesus Christ. I do invite you to respond with answers as I indicated above. God bless you, dear friend. --Rowdy |
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231 | Rowdy, NO, Answer my question first | Matt 5:17 | Rowdy | 121842 | ||
As I've indicated in my profile, I'm 50 years old. What you don't know, is that I did just turn 50 yesterday. My family and I are celebrating this weekend. Why do you ask? How old are you? God bless. --Rowdy |
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232 | Rowdy, NO, Answer my question first | Matt 5:17 | Rowdy | 121997 | ||
You seem to forget our God is timeless as He is without beginning and He is without ending. The designations we're discussing is for our benefit. God blessed these labels so that we as His children would know and recognize the truth in them. In this dispensation, Jesus is to receive ALL the preiminance and is to be the main focus of our worship. He is our mediator between us and our God as He and He alone is the High Priest. By the way, our ages don't really have any value in this discussion, but somehow, I gather you already knew that. Throughout the world for all time, past and future, there's always going to be those older and younger than one's self. The most important factor of aging is the rate and level of maturity in our Lord's relationship and our spiritual growth therein. Since you offer no scripture in support of your statement, I'll respond in kind and not insult you. I do, however, still pray that God blesses you with an open mind and that you keep on studying. --Rowdy |
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233 | Rowdy, NO, Answer my question first | Matt 5:17 | Rowdy | 121998 | ||
Thank you, dear friend. We had a good time. God bless. --Rowdy | ||||||
234 | Rowdy, NO, Answer my question first | Matt 5:17 | Rowdy | 122015 | ||
I was hoping to see your response to my points and questions with scriptural support by now. How about taking another look and see what you can come up with? Looking forward to that dialouge and God bless. --Rowdy |
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235 | Rowdy, NO, Answer my question first | Matt 5:17 | Rowdy | 122980 | ||
I'm not able to answer you first two questions as I don't know much about the cannonization process. I'll let you look that up. But I am convinced that the OT is obsolete as evidenced by God's Word as cited previously. The disignations Old and New are merely endorsements of that fact. However, I'll repeat myself yet again, this obsolete condition only applies to the OT's authority, especially as it applies to the few minor differences. The bulk of the OT is still an incredibly valuable document for study, and understanding the NT. Without the OT, we could never hope to understand most of the NT or to even understand our world. So I have tremendous respect for the OT. You might compare this respect to that of the top racers in today's auto races. Those drivers have much respect for the history of automotive industry in the past century but is it possible that one of those old jalopes with its old engine and transmission could overtake its modern counterpart? You say, that's a silly comparison, and I guess I'd have to agree but it's the best I could do at the moment. Remember all of us of drivers have respect for and appreciate the tremendous value the automotive industry meant to this country's industry and commerce. In the same way, the OT didn't have an "engine or transmission" to take care of sin completely. It didn't have a qualified "mechanic" or a good enough High Priest like we've got now to administer such a high powered "vehicle" or covenant like that of the NT. There may be other comparisons but I'm already stretching the envelope here so I need to hush. By the way, I apologize for the length of time it took for my response. I sincerely hopes this helps (instead of confuses) and God bless. --Rowdy |
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236 | The law cannot be altogether invalid... | Matt 5:19 | Rowdy | 113853 | ||
I have no problem at all bringing these two documents, OT and NT together in PERFECT harmony. The OT was very much applicable to God's people before His Son came to this earth. Now that Jesus has come, died and has been resurrected, his Last Will and Testament comes into full effect. I would like to compare these two different systems of teachings/doctrine to the contrast between the different theories concerning this planet called earth. Hundreds of years ago, people believed all over the world that this planet was flat because of misconceived theories from the past although there were a few exceptional people who didn't think so. One fellow took another look at the comings and goings of ships on the sea and noticed as they approached the shore their masts grew taller and taller. His name was Columbus and did more thinking and research and soon concluded that the earth was round and not flat. Now we all know the history since that time. In the same way, God's people thought that the Messiah would come to earth and set up an earthly kingdom. In spite of God's ocassional reference to His intent to share His family membership with the whole world, the Jews were obsessed with keeping God to themselves. We see that yet again in the NT when the christians in Jersusalem didn't disperse into the world until the persecution started. But now that we know through the Apostle Paul and with some assistance from Peter's dream, we all know God's mystery from the creation was for the whole world, including us gentiles to be given the opportunity to become part of God's family. Thus the OT was fulfilled with Jesus nailed to the cross and the NT takes over with God's seal of approval as Jesus has been granted all power and authority to rule during this dispensation. I hope this helps clarify this issue and God bless. |
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237 | Is there a story on honesty in the Bible | Matt 5:34 | Rowdy | 118361 | ||
You're welcome! Just a small player on a big team. --Rowdy |
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238 | Denounce militant Islam? | Matt 5:44 | Rowdy | 132214 | ||
Hank, my dear friend, it does sometimes seem that you're trying to pick a fight. I don't think I would have made such a statement as Alien's which you quoted but I don't really see any cause for the statement you've made. In the words of Voltaire from centuries ago, "I may disagree with you say, but I'll defend to the death your right to say it." As long as a statement isn't in defiance of scripture or a slam against the Godhead, we really should try to be open-minded to a person's position and level of maturity in Christ, especially we can't possibly know each other very well over the internet/Forum. Regardless as to how you take this statement from me, I wish God's blessings on you and your. Rowdy |
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239 | Does God BLESS Sinners | Matt 5:45 | Rowdy | 133218 | ||
Amen and very well said. Isn't it funny, even in today's world, we fathers expect our children to obey us? When they do, we're proud to call them our sons and daughters. When they're not, we spank (hopefully w/love) their little behinds and teach them to obey. When we grow up, we're encouraged to obey the laws of the land or pay the consequences. Isn't it strange so many people want to change the rules of the game and just get the good stuff from God without truly giving our all to him? Just give Him a token until we get what we want and then leave Him in the dust. No, my friend we must obey ALL of God's commands before we can truly call ourselves heirs of our Father, Creator of the Universe and hope to go Home to Heaven. God bless you for reminding us of the truth. Rowdy |
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240 | Does true faith produce fruit or works? | Matt 6:12 | Rowdy | 123106 | ||
Thanks for the statement as it represents a good list (although not all inclusive) of some of the things our Father in Heaven expects to see in our lives as His children IF we truly are His children. Thanks for the assist and God bless. --Rowdy |
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