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161 | Where does membership come from? | NT general Archive 1 | Rowdy | 123194 | ||
I must say you and Forever Prophet are getting a lot of good responses with several good scriptures in support. I'm sure you already know my position on the matter but I'd just like to give some advice from someone who's tried that road of self-sufficency and isolation. For one thing, it's not pleaseant. When you get in a bind, socially, emotionally or spiritually, you don't have anyone in whom you can really trust with your deepest thoughts, your inner most feelings. Second thing is the big danger. As I mentioned it sounds if you all come from the perspective as being strong enough to be a christian on your own and not needing a regular membership in a local congregation. The biggest danger I see in that scenario is the fact you're not going to recognize when you need to be humbled. Make no mistake, when you're out by self and not getting checked on by a fellow strong brother who knows you like a brother should, being as strong as you are, you're probably going to grow just a little TOO independent and NOT realize your need for dependence on God. Then you're going to run into a BIG humbling by the main Man, Himself and I didn't like it when it happened to me. Like I said I've been down that road and the Lord has humbled me. I "saw the light" and repented after getting my share of bumps and bruises. So keep this advice in mind as you journey along in your spiritual walk with God. He knows us best because He created us and He knows we need the fellowship and leadership from our local congregation. Remember "Am I my brother's keeper?" was NOT a rhetorical question. God's answer to that question is a definite Yes. You need to be in the congregation doing your share of keeping someone straight WITH love and then when it's your turn, someone who truly loves you will straighten you out. Remember, all of us strong, bull-headed and confident bucks need some guidance now and again. I know...I'm as stubborn as they come, just ask my wife. I sincerely hope this helps, dear friend and God bless. --Rowdy |
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162 | Does God want the NT or OT reflected? | Not Specified | Rowdy | 123192 | ||
I've been doing some homework and studying on my recent additional item to my library, the same Bible Commentary as mentioned before and discovered it's a relatively good book. It was written and compiled by 21 different men coming from 51 different schools, mostly colleges and seminaries. These schools are mostly located here in America but one is in France and another in Israel. Of course these gentlemen went to as many as 3 or 4 different institutions over their lifetime with most of them getting a Ph.D. or an equivalent. The General Editor, Woodrow Michael has done additional study at Harvard Divinity School and Princeton Theological Seminary. All the major "religions or denominations seem to be well represented so I'm satisfied, at least for now, that the book seems to well balanced and is a good fit for most christians in this day and age. I said all that to say the next. As you know there is some bit of controversy about the authority of the NT over that of the OT and I thought I would reflect what the Commentary says about it, especailly about the following verse. Col 2:11-15 In Him you were also circumcised with the circumcision made without hands, by putting off the body of the sins of the flesh, by the circumcision of Christ, 12buried with Him in baptism, in which you also were raised with Him through faith in the working of God, who raised Him from the dead. 13And you, being dead in your trespasses and the uncircumcision of your flesh, He has made alive together with Him, having forgiven you all trespasses, 14having wiped out the handwriting of requirements that was against us, which was contrary to us. And He has taken it out of the way, having nailed it to the cross. 15Having disarmed principalities and powers, He made a public spectacle of them, triumphing over them in it. From the Commentary: V.11 This circumcision that Paul speaks of is not a rite, but a reality. Stripping and casting aside as a filthy garment. The flesh is removed from the throne, and the christian is set free from his sinful nature. The evil nature is not eradicated (1 Jn 1:8), but its power is broken. Christ is now on the throne; but the flesh lurks about and tries to usurp the throne. Our physical members are to be instruments not of unrighteousness unto sin, but of righteousness unto God (Rom 6:11-14). V.12 Jointly entombed with Christ; sharing in His experience. Baptism is not a magic rite, but an act of obedience in confessing our faith. Baptism symbolizes our experience of death to the old life and resurrection to the new life (Rom 6:3-5). Baptism is an outward expression of an inward experience. Without saving faith, baptism is an empty, meaningless ceremony. Through faith we receive Christ (Jn 1:12-13) and experience the new birth. V.13 Devoid of the life of God, a totally depraved nature (Eph 2:1; 5:6,11) Made alive in union with Christ. Graciously pardoning and canceling the debt (cf. Lk 7:42) V. 14 Erased, wiped away, obliterated, cancelled the note. This explains the forgiveness. The handwritten document consisting of ordinances. The bond here is the certification of debt, the instrument of condemnation, the indictment drawn up against a prisoner, and a signed confession of indebtedness. Three expression describe the law: 1) it is written in ordinances, expressed in decrees and commandments; 2) it was against us, had a valid claim on us; 3) it was contrary to us, because we couldn't meet the claim. Paul states that bond was: 1) blotted out; 2) taken out of the way; 3) and nailed to His cross. This was once-for-all removal (2 Cor 5:21; Eph 2:15-16; Gal 3:13). In the East, a bond is cancelled by nailing it to the post. Our bond of guilt was nailed to His cross. v.15 Stripped off and away from. The principalities and powers are conquered antagonists stripped of their weapons, disarmed (Mt 12:29; Lik 11:21-22; Jn 16:11; Rom 8:37-39; 1 Cor 15:55-57; Heb 2:4). By His death, Christ conquered His enemies, stripped them of their power, exposed them to public disgrace, held them up in contempt and let them captives in His triumph. End of quote. I might mention the gentleman who wrote these words, Edward R. Roustio, Th.D. was a former Associate Professor of Religion, Liberty University. He went to William Jewell Collge, Southern Baptist Theological Seminary and Central Baptist Theological Seminary. I'm satisfied that this excerpt represents what God wants us to understand about the superiority of the NT over the OT. I hope this helps in clarifying the controversy. God bless. --Rowdy |
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163 | Does God want the NT or OT reflected? | Matt 22:40 | Rowdy | 123204 | ||
I've been doing some homework and studying on my recent additional item to my library, the same Bible Commentary as mentioned before and discovered it's a relatively good book. It was written and compiled by 21 different men coming from 51 different schools, mostly colleges and seminaries. These schools are mostly located here in America but one is in France and another in Israel. Of course these gentlemen went to as many as 3 or 4 different institutions over their lifetime with most of them getting a Ph.D. or an equivalent. The General Editor, Woodrow Michael has done additional study at Harvard Divinity School and Princeton Theological Seminary. All the major "religions or denominations seem to be well represented so I'm satisfied, at least for now, that the book seems to well balanced and is a good fit for most christians in this day and age. I said all that to say the next. As you know there is some bit of controversy about the authority of the NT over that of the OT and I thought I would reflect what the Commentary says about it, especailly about the following verse. Col 2:11-15 In Him you were also circumcised with the circumcision made without hands, by putting off the body of the sins of the flesh, by the circumcision of Christ, 12buried with Him in baptism, in which you also were raised with Him through faith in the working of God, who raised Him from the dead. 13And you, being dead in your trespasses and the uncircumcision of your flesh, He has made alive together with Him, having forgiven you all trespasses, 14having wiped out the handwriting of requirements that was against us, which was contrary to us. And He has taken it out of the way, having nailed it to the cross. 15Having disarmed principalities and powers, He made a public spectacle of them, triumphing over them in it. From the Commentary: V.11 This circumcision that Paul speaks of is not a rite, but a reality. Stripping and casting aside as a filthy garment. The flesh is removed from the throne, and the christian is set free from his sinful nature. The evil nature is not eradicated (1 Jn 1:8), but its power is broken. Christ is now on the throne; but the flesh lurks about and tries to usurp the throne. Our physical members are to be instruments not of unrighteousness unto sin, but of righteousness unto God (Rom 6:11-14). V.12 Jointly entombed with Christ; sharing in His experience. Baptism is not a magic rite, but an act of obedience in confessing our faith. Baptism symbolizes our experience of death to the old life and resurrection to the new life (Rom 6:3-5). Baptism is an outward expression of an inward experience. Without saving faith, baptism is an empty, meaningless ceremony. Through faith we receive Christ (Jn 1:12-13) and experience the new birth. V.13 Devoid of the life of God, a totally depraved nature (Eph 2:1; 5:6,11) Made alive in union with Christ. Graciously pardoning and canceling the debt (cf. Lk 7:42) V. 14 Erased, wiped away, obliterated, cancelled the note. This explains the forgiveness. The handwritten document consisting of ordinances. The bond here is the certification of debt, the instrument of condemnation, the indictment drawn up against a prisoner, and a signed confession of indebtedness. Three expression describe the law: 1) it is written in ordinances, expressed in decrees and commandments; 2) it was against us, had a valid claim on us; 3) it was contrary to us, because we couldn't meet the claim. Paul states that bond was: 1) blotted out; 2) taken out of the way; 3) and nailed to His cross. This was once-for-all removal (2 Cor 5:21; Eph 2:15-16; Gal 3:13). In the East, a bond is cancelled by nailing it to the post. Our bond of guilt was nailed to His cross. v.15 Stripped off and away from. The principalities and powers are conquered antagonists stripped of their weapons, disarmed (Mt 12:29; Lik 11:21-22; Jn 16:11; Rom 8:37-39; 1 Cor 15:55-57; Heb 2:4). By His death, Christ conquered His enemies, stripped them of their power, exposed them to public disgrace, held them up in contempt and let them captives in His triumph. End of quote. I might mention the gentleman who wrote these words, Edward R. Roustio, Th.D. was a former Associate Professor of Religion, Liberty University. He went to William Jewell Collge, Southern Baptist Theological Seminary and Central Baptist Theological Seminary. I'm satisfied that this excerpt represents what God wants us to understand about the superiority of the NT over the OT. I hope this helps in clarifying the controversy. God bless. --Rowdy |
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164 | Hades shall not overpower the church? | Matthew | Rowdy | 123170 | ||
Apparently God has already created and reserved a special place call Hell for Satan and ALL those who would follow him, including demons and human beings. There's no chance that Satan can win over God in this battle as the he has already lost. The only thing to be decided is who all goes with him. See below. 2 Pet 2:4 For if God did not spare angels when they sinned, but cast them into hell and committed them to pits of darkness, reserved for judgment; As for Matt 16:18, I quote here from the "Bible Commentary for clarification although it may be authoritative, it does seem to complement what the rest of the NT says about the matter. Beginning of quote: Jesus promised that the gates of hell shall not prevail against the church (assembly). Some have viewed this as the inability of hell to overpower the church and see the church as being on the defensive against Satan. However, the phrase "'shall not prevail" may be understood as meaning, "shall not stand against." The imagery would then picture the church as being on the attack against the gates of hell. Here hell (Gr hades) probably represents the kingdom of Satan, not just death and the grave. While Jesus' resurrection certainly will overcome the sting of death, it will also enable His church to aggressively and offensively attack the gates of hell by snatching out victims from darkness into His glorious kingdom of light. One does not attack with gates; he defends. It is the church which is on the attack here and hell is on the defensive. End of quote. Hope this helps and God bless. --Rowdy |
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165 | Where does membership come from? | NT general Archive 1 | Rowdy | 123150 | ||
I would respond to you with a reminder about the Lord's parable about sowing seed from Matt 13. In this case, Jesus provides his own interpreation as follows. 18 "Therefore hear the parable of the sower: 19When anyone hears the word of the kingdom, and does not understand it, then the wicked one comes and snatches away what was sown in his heart. This is he who received seed by the wayside. 20But he who received the seed on stony places, this is he who hears the word and immediately receives it with joy; 21yet he has no root in himself, but endures only for a while. For when tribulation or persecution arises because of the word, immediately he stumbles. 22Now he who received seed among the thorns is he who hears the word, and the cares of this world and the deceitfulness of riches choke the word, and he becomes unfruitful. 23But he who received seed on the good ground is he who hears the word and understands it, who indeed bears fruit and produces: some a hundredfold, some sixty, some thirty." So you see, some congregations take on a personality much like a person does and thus can become like one of the four types of soil in this parable. Some congregations are very good, full of spirit and truth and some are only existing in their last few days, but then there are all those in between those two extremes. It's up to us as God's children to do our part and inspect the fruit of the congregations and confirm they truly are reflecting God's Word in their midst. We must continue searching for that ideal group so we can "grow where we're planted" by our Lord and then be productive ourselves. Each of us must take up our own cross from the Lord and bear its burden, remaining faithful till death, Rev 2:10. Hope this helps and God bless. --Rowdy |
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166 | Can you loose your salvation? | NT general Archive 1 | Rowdy | 123142 | ||
I'm assuming you've already shared these Holy Words from Jesus Christ Himself to this "bishop." If he doesn't believe them, he really should stop professing to being a bishop and go back to studying his Bible...and do a lot of praying. John 14:6 Jesus said to him, "I am the way, and the truth, and the life; no one comes to the Father but through Me. Also Matt 28:17 When they saw Him, they worshiped Him; but some doubted. 18And Jesus came and spoke to them, saying, "All authority has been given to Me in heaven and on earth. 19Go therefore and make disciples of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, God bless. --Rowdy |
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167 | How did Pharoah die? In the book of Ex. | Exodus | Rowdy | 123140 | ||
I'm afraid the Exodus record is not clear as it does NOT specifically say that Pharaoh died in the Red Sea but thanks be to God, the Psalms are a little more clear as follows Ps 136:13 To Him who divided the Red Sea asunder, For His lovingkindness is everlasting, 14 And made Israel pass through the midst of it, For His lovingkindness is everlasting; 15 But He overthrew Pharaoh and his army in the Red Sea, For His lovingkindness is everlasting. Aren't search engines a wonderful thing. I, too never knew this passage was in the Psalms. Praise the Lord and God bless. --Rowdy |
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168 | Age of Miracles - Past or Present | Bible general Archive 2 | Rowdy | 123138 | ||
Generally, I would like to agree with you in my usual devotion to maintaining an open mind but when I check my Bible again and again, I can only come up with these two same methods of gaining such miraculous power: from the Holy Ghost and from the laying on of the Apostles' hands. Those were the ONLY ways of getting this power as clearly shown throughout the NT. So I must be as you've already noticed very much prejuidiced against this kind of activity. But thanks again for your post. God bless. --Rowdy |
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169 | Age of Miracles - Past or Present | Bible general Archive 2 | Rowdy | 123131 | ||
I guess you can see from this and the previous posts of mine on this subject, I didn't include examples of tongues as you describe because I don't see the second description in the NT. It seems pretty clear that each time these miraculous powers were used, it was an obvious demonstration of supernatural power, something that was so extraordinary that the news "rang around the world." I would be the last person in the world to put an absolute "no way" on this kind of activity which would be sorta like putting God in a box. But I do want to be a "doubting Thomas" just as the Bible depicts and question these kind of claims of miracles. I'd have to see the evidence myself as so many people honestly and sincerely believe in them with a great amount of niavete. There again, I'm also thankful that this issue, miracles in this modern age or not, is NOT linked to our salvation. I'm thankful our Father only expects us to obey Him and become a christian. I would urge you to keep an open mind and be cautious in this area. God bless you, dear friend and thanks for your response. --Rowdy |
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170 | why did paul and barnabas fall out | Acts 15:38 | Rowdy | 123125 | ||
I misread the question. It's probably obvious to most everyone but just in case... It is my opinion that Paul and Barnabas parted ways as a direct result of the disagreement between Paul and Mark. Remember Barnabas was the encourager AND was an uncle to Mark. When he saw that Paul (whom he had sided with at an earlier time Acts 11:25-26) had progressed in spiritual maturity to the point he decide to "mentor" young Mark. Sorry for the misdirection, hope this clarifies. God bless. --Rowdy |
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171 | What day is the Sabbath day? | Mark | Rowdy | 123124 | ||
There are many and varied opinions about this subject, each with their own set of scriptures in support so you can study them yourself by insert that key word, Sabbath Day in the Quick Search to the right of your screen. One of my posts on the subject is numbered 122757. Hope this helps and God bless. --Rowdy |
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172 | Where does membership come from? | NT general Archive 1 | Rowdy | 123115 | ||
There are other scriptures but one of the most specific and instructive is Heb 10:23 Let us hold fast the confession of our hope without wavering, for He who promised is faithful; 24 and let us consider how to stimulate one another to love and good deeds, 25 not forsaking our own assembling together, as is the habit of some, but encouraging one another; and all the more as you see the day drawing near. It's a proven fact, many, many times over that generally speaking most people need encouragement to be faithful to any cause, especially one like ours to Christ as our Lord and Master. Even if you're so incredibly strong that you don't need your brothers and sisters to keep you that way, you have no authority to deprive your local family of christians from sharing in your strengths and talents. We all have an ocassional tough week and need to be re-charged by those that know us and read our troubles in our faces and the way we walk. No, believe me, dear friend there's no substitute for a congregation with good, close fellowship. Try re-reading the Book of Acts and re-discover how valuable fellowship was in the first century. Then a person could cite all the passages in the Bible with the famous "one another" phrase...there are dozens of them. You simply CANNOT fully please God Almighty by yourself, it's literally impossible. I hope this helps and God bless. |
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173 | why is mark's writings different | Mark | Rowdy | 123113 | ||
Could you be a little more specific with reference to these differences as you see them? Most people point out John as being the "different" Gospel account as there are so many similarities among the other three. As a matter of fact, that's the main reason for the "Harmony of the Gospels" in the back of most Bibles. Awaiting your response with a little more information. God bless. --Rowdy |
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174 | why did paul and barnabas fall out | Acts 15:38 | Rowdy | 123107 | ||
Why indeed? Why would there a "falling out" between any two men of God? Apparently Paul was at a different stage in his life and had a very dedicated focus. He knew exactly what he had to do and I think he had an idea he had a relatively short time to do it in. Mark on the other hand was young and could expect a longer lifetime. He didn't have the drive or the Holy Spirit urging him toward the same urgent (almost obsessive) goal as his mentor Paul. Instead of emphasizing that this parting of the ways happened, I rejoice in the fact that God's Word recorded it for us as an example that christians can choose to go our separate ways when we determine it's best while both (or all of us) can and must obey God, even when we choose to obey Him with our own distinctive personalities. I'm NOT saying that we can dictate terms to our Lord. I am saying that the particular way we execute that obedience can take us in many different directions. I think the Lord has a special set of goals distinctive to each of us but we're united in following the same Master, right? This also makes sense since He gives us each our own distinctive set of talents to serve Him. I also rejoice in the fact that late in Paul's life, he and Mark had re-established their closeness as brethren for the Lord as cited in 2 Tim 4:11. Hope this helps and God bless. --Rowdy |
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175 | Does true faith produce fruit or works? | Matt 6:12 | Rowdy | 123106 | ||
Thanks for the statement as it represents a good list (although not all inclusive) of some of the things our Father in Heaven expects to see in our lives as His children IF we truly are His children. Thanks for the assist and God bless. --Rowdy |
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176 | Does true faith produce fruit or works? | Not Specified | Rowdy | 123093 | ||
I've submitted posts in the past porporting the idea that once we become christians our God does expect to see us produce fruit from our lives as proof that we really do have faith in our Lord as cited in James 2. I thought I'd provide a little more documentation from my Bible Commentary citing a little more support. Quote from Bible Commentary (Ja 2:14-17) 14. If one regards the author's purpose, the discussion will be less difficult to interpret. Many misunderstand this verse because they fail to observe two significant facts. First, James does not state that the hypothetical person "has" faith, but merely a man say he has faith. It distinguishes the one "possesses" from the one merely "professes." Secondly, conclusions are based on the question, can faith save him? The Authorized Version unfortunately gives a wrong impression, for he is not asking about faith in general, but that type of faith which one has who makes claims without producing fruit. This is affirmed by the presence of the definite article in Greek meaning "the faith." "Can that faith save him?" would be a proper translation. Which faith? That which the man claims to have. That being the case, James does not contradict Paul. Both affirm that true saving faith results in a changed life as evidenced by workds. 15-16.When Christians say empty platitudes without actually helping those in physical need, what does it profit? How many words fill a hungry stomach? 17. As the worthlessness of well-wishers reveal their selfishness, so barrenness in a professing believer's life exposes his insincerity. Significantly, the Greektext states with the article, that "the faith...is dead, being alone. James refers specifically to the faith which is claimed, not the genuine brand. End of quote. I think the quote says it all. True abiding faith in God the Father will simply produce fruit. But we as loving christians imitating God in His love, we do need to be patient and willing to show some forgiveness to our brethren and sisters in the Lord. God bless. --Rowdy |
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177 | Does true faith produce fruit or works? | Matt 6:12 | Rowdy | 123099 | ||
I've submitted posts in the past porporting the idea that once we become christians our God does expect to see us produce fruit from our lives as proof that we really do have faith in our Lord as cited in James 2. I thought I'd provide a little more documentation from my Bible Commentary citing a little more support. Quote from Bible Commentary (Ja 2:14-17) 14. If one regards the author's purpose, the discussion will be less difficult to interpret. Many misunderstand this verse because they fail to observe two significant facts. First, James does not state that the hypothetical person "has" faith, but merely a man say he has faith. It distinguishes the one "possesses" from the one merely "professes." Secondly, conclusions are based on the question, can faith save him? The Authorized Version unfortunately gives a wrong impression, for he is not asking about faith in general, but that type of faith which one has who makes claims without producing fruit. This is affirmed by the presence of the definite article in Greek meaning "the faith." "Can that faith save him?" would be a proper translation. Which faith? That which the man claims to have. That being the case, James does not contradict Paul. Both affirm that true saving faith results in a changed life as evidenced by workds. 15-16.When Christians say empty platitudes without actually helping those in physical need, what does it profit? How many words fill a hungry stomach? 17. As the worthlessness of well-wishers reveal their selfishness, so barrenness in a professing believer's life exposes his insincerity. Significantly, the Greektext states with the article, that "the faith...is dead, being alone. James refers specifically to the faith which is claimed, not the genuine brand. End of quote. I think the quote says it all. True abiding faith in God the Father will simply produce fruit. But we as loving christians imitating God in His love, we do need to be patient and willing to show some forgiveness to our brethren and sisters in the Lord. God bless. --Rowdy |
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178 | Age of Miracles - Past or Present | Not Specified | Rowdy | 123092 | ||
As I mentioned previously, I've gotten myself a new book, entitled "Bible Commentary" of the King James version of the Bible. It was written and compiled by 21 of the best minds in the Bible community. But I'm convinced it is a good commentary, as it does a good job of representing all sides on the controversial verses as shown below. The particular verse I'm referring to is from 1 Cor 13:9 For we know in part and we prophesy in part; 10 but when the perfect comes, the partial will be done away. 11 When I was a child, I used to speak like a child, think like a child, reason like a child; when I became a man, I did away with childish things. 12 For now we see in a mirror dimly, but then face to face; now I know in part, but then I will know fully just as I also have been fully known. 13 But now faith, hope, love, abide these three; but the greatest of these is love. As you all know, I've been suggesting that the miraculous phase of Christianity ended with the death of the Apostles and those on whom they laid their hands for that special empowerment. Now I'd like to quote from the commentary on verses 8-11. Unlike the leaf or the flower, love never fades and falls off. The significance of the Greek word (pauo) indicates that tongues would soon be "cut off" as their necessity in the process of New Testament revelation ceased. It is important to note that tongues are never mentioned again in the New Testament after this warning. Vanish equals be abolished (in Greek). This is the same word used in reference to prophecy above. This is not knowledge in general but the "gift" of knowledge by direct revelation. For suggests reason. Knowledge and prophecy as we now know it are suited only to an imperfect state of existence. This is best understood in the light of 1 Cor 2:6, in the sense of "mature" or "complete." Conservative Biblical scholars have proposed two main interpretations of "perfect." It may be a reference to the completion of the canon of Scripture, with which partial revelation (by knowledge, prophecy, or tongues) came to an end, culminating in a complete revelation of God's Scripture or it may refer to the maturation of the body of Christ in the sense of Eph 4:11-16. Paul employs the neuter because he does not comtemplate an individual. Thus, the "perfect" cannot refer to the coming of Christ Himself. Once the perfect has been achieved, there will be no need for that which is immature. It will not be needed or accepted and should not be desired. The apostle illustrates his point by likening it to the maturation of a person from infancy to manhood. A child speaks, reasons, and assimilates knowledge at the level of his maturity. End of quote. As you can see, the commentary presents both sides of this controversy so it seems pretty clear why I've taken the former position as it seems too be supported by the rest of the NT with the scriptures I've cited in the past. But I would be interested in what you think of the opinions of these learned men of God. God bless. --Rowdy |
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179 | Age of Miracles - Past or Present | Bible general Archive 2 | Rowdy | 123126 | ||
As I mentioned previously, I've gotten myself a new book, entitled "Bible Commentary" of the King James version of the Bible. It was written and compiled by 21 of the best minds in the Bible community. But I'm convinced it is a good commentary, as it does a good job of representing all sides on the controversial verses as shown below. The particular verse I'm referring to is from 1 Cor 13:9 For we know in part and we prophesy in part; 10 but when the perfect comes, the partial will be done away. 11 When I was a child, I used to speak like a child, think like a child, reason like a child; when I became a man, I did away with childish things. 12 For now we see in a mirror dimly, but then face to face; now I know in part, but then I will know fully just as I also have been fully known. 13 But now faith, hope, love, abide these three; but the greatest of these is love. As you all know, I've been suggesting that the miraculous phase of Christianity ended with the death of the Apostles and those on whom they laid their hands for that special empowerment. Now I'd like to quote from the commentary on verses 8-11. Unlike the leaf or the flower, love never fades and falls off. The significance of the Greek word (pauo) indicates that tongues would soon be "cut off" as their necessity in the process of New Testament revelation ceased. It is important to note that tongues are never mentioned again in the New Testament after this warning. Vanish equals be abolished (in Greek). This is the same word used in reference to prophecy above. This is not knowledge in general but the "gift" of knowledge by direct revelation. For suggests reason. Knowledge and prophecy as we now know it are suited only to an imperfect state of existence. This is best understood in the light of 1 Cor 2:6, in the sense of "mature" or "complete." Conservative Biblical scholars have proposed two main interpretations of "perfect." It may be a reference to the completion of the canon of Scripture, with which partial revelation (by knowledge, prophecy, or tongues) came to an end, culminating in a complete revelation of God's Scripture or it may refer to the maturation of the body of Christ in the sense of Eph 4:11-16. Paul employs the neuter because he does not comtemplate an individual. Thus, the "perfect" cannot refer to the coming of Christ Himself. Once the perfect has been achieved, there will be no need for that which is immature. It will not be needed or accepted and should not be desired. The apostle illustrates his point by likening it to the maturation of a person from infancy to manhood. A child speaks, reasons, and assimilates knowledge at the level of his maturity. End of quote. As you can see, the commentary presents both sides of this controversy so it seems pretty clear why I've taken the former position as it seems too be supported by the rest of the NT with the scriptures I've cited in the past. But I would be interested in what you think of the opinions of these learned men of God. God bless. --Rowdy |
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180 | Can you loose your salvation? | NT general Archive 1 | Rowdy | 123079 | ||
I sincerely thank you for your post but I noticed you didn't respond to the other specific points on my post. Apparently, you don't agree with my assessment of Jesus statement. So what kind of modern name would you apply to Jesus principle as cited in Matt 5:29-30. So how do you deal with the "seeming contradiction" of these passages? God bless. --Rowdy |
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