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8361 | Danger in "revelation theory" only. | Rev 17:16 | EdB | 59643 | ||
Pastor Glenn You might be right or you might be wrong. You have made an interesting observation and I'm not sure it deserves the disdain it seems to have garnered here. Your antagonist are right we don’t have enough information to make that call, but I see no harm in mussing it over. Heavens forbid we talk about anything speculative here on the forum! Glory777 is also right, we as Christians can get tied up Revelation theories and forget there is a lost and dying world that is going to hell. However God must have felt the subject important enough to include a whole book in the Bible about it. Now to your statement. I’m not sure what part the Al Qaeda will play in the ‘End Time’ scenario, but I’m totally convinced ISLAM will be a major factor. The army from the north mentioned all through ‘End Time’ prophecy has to be the Muslim countries north of Israel that once made up the USSR. Islam will not rest until Israel is destroyed, no matter what compromises are attempted. Short of that there will be no peace in the Middle East. I do not believe God will allow that to happen and therefore I believe we are on the brink of seeing the “End Time’ scenario played out. Should we be worried, only about those that don’t know Jesus Christ as Lord and Savior. EdB |
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8362 | Danger in "revelation theory" only. | Rev 17:16 | EdB | 59661 | ||
John Your right and thank you for the correction, I should not have used so much gusto in my response. I should have said, as things are shaping up now it looks like Islam and in particular the Islamic nations to the north of Israel may play a major role in 'End Time' prophecy, should the rapture and second coming of Christ occur in the near future. However I will go out on the limb and state quite emphatically each day brings us one day closer to Jesus’ return. :-) I think you have to admit things in the Middle East are looking more and more like buds on tress, the violence we see has an appearance of a red sky. Maybe the church should think more about the future, of the second coming, of the tribulation. The primitive church thought more about the Second Coming of Jesus Christ than about death or about heaven. The early Christians were looking not for a cleft in the ground called a grave but for a cleavage in the sky called Glory. They were watching not for the undertaker but for the uppertaker. -- Alexander Maclaren John again I receive and thank you for that correction. By the way long story short I finally got the book "Losing Our Virtue" EdB |
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8363 | Does this mean that it is wrong to ask? | Rev 17:16 | EdB | 59816 | ||
Pastor Glen, John and Makarios I'm not sure why this has become such an issue. Pastor Glen voiced an observation based on scripture, a little human logic and a little conjecture. I see nothing wrong with discussing this anymore than the time spent discussing the age of the earth, did Judas repent, and who did Cain marry. I think there are some hints in the Bible that tell us more about who this unholy allegiance will be as we advance in time. In the 1800’s they couldn’t imagine a world wide monetary system, being able to see things as they happened on the other side of the world, a world wide government trying to impose it’s standards on the world. That is because credit card, satellite TV, and the UN did not exist. By talking about these things does it mean that is exactly how Revelation is going to play out? No but they do offer plausible solutions that may or may not change as our knowledge, technology, sociology changes with time. What we are talking about is what the Bible said was going to be a world monetary system (call it what you want), an ability to see what is happening in Jerusalem when the two witnesses are killed and later resurrected (call that what you want) and a form of government that want to rule the world under the Antichrist (again call it what you will). When these events are given plausible explanations of how they may occur the reader no longer ponders “the how”, but rather “the purpose and intent of the almighty God that is behind it all. In the 1950-90’s the biggest obstacle to peace and freedom of religion was the USSR so naturally they were included in unholy allegiance. Since the USSR has collapsed many are rethinking their position but none the less we are told the enemy of Israel will come from the north. When we speak about it does it really matter if we call it the USSR or Islamic countries to the north, or the Al Quaeda that is presently some of the northern countries. These all are plausible answers to how could this happen. Do we know for sure that is how it is going to happen? No, but we are sure the events described in Revelation are going to happen. I come to my question what is the harm of studying “End Time Prophecy” and offering plausible explanations of how those events may occur? As long as we are not dogmatic and refuse to look at any other evidence there isn’t a problem. If Pastor Glenn wants to pose the question to the forum, could the Al Quaeda be the unholy northern allegiance that attacks Israel, I see no problem and no reason for everyone to jump all over his case. EdB |
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8364 | Does this mean that it is wrong to ask? | Rev 17:16 | EdB | 59884 | ||
John Then why do you think God wrote Prophecy? Why do you think God wrote Revelations? Surely God knew we would try to make sense out of it. In fact I believe God expects us to use our minds and attempt to apply some understanding to it. I understand your point perfectly and I agree. We must not be so dogmatic that we leave no room for any other scenario or so reactionary that we sell everything and move to a mountain top. I think we also need to refrain from naming names of people we think are possible antichrists. However when we see someone, some group or some region in direct violation of God’s admonishments such those that bless Israel will be blessed and those that curse Israel will be cursed.” I think we can safety know God is going to deal with that situation. I see no harm is saying something to this effect. “In Ezekiel the word says "Gog prince of Rosh, Meshech and Tubal... “ Then saying “in today’s soci/political situation this could be talking of a spirit of darkness that controls or perpetuates Islam and may be called Gog and is talking about the Islamic countries that were once part of the USSR but now seem to be aligning with militant factions that oppose Israel. We don’t know this for sure but this could be the setting for the beginning of the final days.” “We will have to watch closely to see how this situation plays out. Otherwise I have to read that passage in Ezekiel and say I have no idea of what it is saying so I might as well discount it . Or I have to read revelation and say boy that is nice I have no idea how this will happen, how it could play out, or even imagine what it talking about therefore I shouldn’t read it. I might even conclude it shouldn’t included in the canon. EdB |
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8365 | Does this mean that it is wrong to ask? | Rev 17:16 | EdB | 59890 | ||
Hank Et tu Brutus or something like that I forget may Latin. :-). Let me ask you Hank what do you think God wanted us to do with revelations? Since all we can really do is speculate about it until it actually happens what was God purpose for including it in the Bible? EdB |
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8366 | Does this mean that it is wrong to ask? | Rev 17:16 | EdB | 59893 | ||
Hank I agree we can make ourselves a mockery by calling things fact that have not happened yet and to which we have no control over. It is simply impossible to predict dates, and actual players in respect to eschatology. However Jesus did tell us we would be able to tell the season. As we see things that appear to line up with the whole end times scenario what is wrong with suggesting this may be the solution? I know many Pastors that simply will not teach on the Book of Revelations because they say it can’t be understood so it is a waste of time. I know others that believe it is a John having a bad dream after eating a pepperoni pizza. God gave us The Book of Revelation, He has told us to study His Word, He has given us imaginations, logic, curiosity, and will to understand. I can see nothing wrong with the study of eschatology as long as any conclusion we may reach is presented as theory rather than ‘thus sayth the Lord’ fact. EdB |
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8367 | Does this mean that it is wrong to ask? | Rev 17:16 | EdB | 59895 | ||
Pastor Glenn You attached this to my response, you may want to attach a copy to John's so he will see it. I might soften it a little before I would send it to John. We might be using the Word of God as a slashing sword rather than a sword of correction. EdB |
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8368 | Does this mean that it is wrong to ask? | Rev 17:16 | EdB | 59907 | ||
Hank Aw, I was closer than I suspected, I hadn't used Latin in 39 years when my Latin teacher agreed if I promised to take French the next year you would give me a passing D. That poor French teacher such a dear to have such clutz as me. Hank I was making a stab (pardon the pun) at humor. Hank your my brother wer buds!!!!! EdB |
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8369 | Does this mean that it is wrong to ask? | Rev 17:16 | EdB | 59909 | ||
Hank We are in total agreement!!!!!!!!!!! Blessing to you EdB |
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8370 | Manumission | Rev 17:17 | EdB | 242709 | ||
Great quote! Loved it! | ||||||
8371 | Rev. 18:9-19 sounds like WTC? | Rev 18:9 | EdB | 17214 | ||
Scroggs Your theology has a problem. You said, It can be Babylon of Iraq since Isaiah 13:20 says the original Babylon will never be inhabited again. Saturday evening there was program on TV showing the festivities of the modern city Babylon build on the ruins of Nebuchadnezzar’s Babylon. To me it looked pretty much the same as Las Vegas here in the US. By the way the city was rebuilt in the late 80’s early 90’s using our gas money. Since we know scripture never lies you may want to rethink you interpretation of Is. 13:20 |
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8372 | Rev. 18:9-19 sounds like WTC? | Rev 18:9 | EdB | 17230 | ||
Scroggs Many hold that the Babylon of Rev. is in fact Babylon rebuilt. They further believe Isaiah was seeing the immediate future with the Medes destroying the city and the distant future where God will destroy it. Others see this prophecy as coming to past gradually, where it will finally become desolate. Many Arabs will not spend a night in the city believing it is haunted. In any case for New York and the WTC to fulfill Revelation prophecy the devastation would have to been even more extensive. The devastation described in Revelation is the total collapse of commerce, economics, and trade in general for the City Babylon. While all of this was severely impacted by the WTC attacks we know none of the destruction occurred to such completeness. Again not trying to downplay the horrendous nature of what took place, or to minimize the seriousness or violence of the attacks we tend to hold an overly magnified view of America in relation to rest of the world. Especially in light of Biblical prophecy which is devoid of any mention of United States or America. David Wilkerson explained this lack of mention of America in prophecy as being caused by a previous financial collapse of America either through reckless manipulation of the financial market or by internal anarchy. That to me is a far more likely scenario, especially in light of the house of cards we call Wall Street, designed and built by men that cared for little more that today’s profits. |
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8373 | Rev. 18:9-19 sounds like WTC? | Rev 18:9 | EdB | 17479 | ||
Scroggs Yes I believe our generation will probably see the second coming of Christ. Yes we are to be about the Masters work with some urgency. I too will wait and see the events that was begun to be unfolded Sept 11, 2001 and I do it was excitement adn expectation for my redeemption drawth nigh! But I still don't think New York is Babylon nor was this attact what is descibed in Rev 18 |
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8374 | torment in hell annihilation in the lake | Rev 19:20 | EdB | 241179 | ||
You used a interesting term "is it possible that the beast and the false prophet are kept alive in a devouring fire in the lake of fire" No where in scripture is the Lake of Fire described as a devouring fire. In fact just the opposite, punishment like life in Christ is always described as eternal. Also Satan does not possess the power of life and death Christ does. So no it is not possible Satan kept the beast and false prophet alive. |
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8375 | torment in hell annihilation in the lake | Rev 19:20 | EdB | 241206 | ||
You are trying to make the case of total annililation. To do it you need a way to explain extra-Bibically why the beast and false prophet were mentioned in a present after being thrown in the lake of fire. You are giving credit for this to Satan. That is a dangerous position to take. First no where in scripture does it suggest Satan has the power to sustain life. Secondly because Jesus holds the keys of Death, Hell and the grave. Jesus controls life not Satan. Thirdly Satan's ilk is to deceive how better to deceive people than convince them eternal punishment for the rejection of Christ isn't valid. Satan does not have the power to keep anyone alive either here on earth or in the Lake of Fire. Since the beast and the false Prophet are alive in the Lake of Fire proves scripture that tells us our spirits are eternal. We live eternally with Christ because of our belief in Him or we live eternally in damnation because of our rejection of Jesus. Do not add to scripture. |
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8376 | torment in hell annihilation in the lake | Rev 19:20 | EdB | 241208 | ||
Actually I didn't mention verb nor did I mention any particular verse in my last reply. But if we go to verse Revelation 20:10 you mentioned (NASB) 10 And the devil who deceived them was thrown into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are also; and they will be tormented day and night forever and ever. I think the words tormented day and night forever and ever paints a fairly vivid picture of eternity. Don't you? I also think the Greek word kai which is translated also suggests the Beast and false prophet are present when Satan is thrown in. Interestingly Allisraelsaved was not challenging the wording or verb tense of scripture. Allisraelsaved point was only who was keeping the false prophet and the beast alive. I find your comments interesting and causes me to wonder why you felt complied to make them. |
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8377 | Tabernacles | Rev 20:2 | EdB | 61682 | ||
Elder As far as I know there is no Millennium tabernacle. However Revelations does tells us of a time when Jesus will rule and reign on this earth for a 1000 years. Rev 20:2 tells about this thousand year reign and it is commonly called the Millennium or the Millennial Reign of Christ. EdB |
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8378 | Inhabitants of kingdom on earth | Rev 20:4 | EdB | 30118 | ||
Kalos You said, "Second, there will be those Tribulation saints who escaped death and were preserved through the Tribulation to go into the kingdom of our Lord" Do you really think that is who Rev 14;1 is talking about? When I read about the Tribulation I don't see anyone that didn't take the mark of the beast coming out of it. EdB |
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8379 | Inhabitants of kingdom on earth | Rev 20:4 | EdB | 30153 | ||
Kalos I see what your saying, but I view verse 15 as a break point. Up until there Jesus is talking about the things that will lead up to the time of Tribulation then in verse 15 He talks about the Antichrist being revealed and then quickly jumps to His return. If we understand the Tribulation right the persecution of the church will not come into full play until after the Antichrist is revealed. Therefore the endure must mean something other than living through the tribulation. The "endure" to me means 'endures' or 'keeps' true sound teaching in the face of all the false teachers that were spoke about in verse 11. It is appears to be more of a word of encouragement than a threat of lost of salvation. Also I could go with the preterist view that this has already happened in 70AD and the great tribulation in verse 21 in not "The Great Tribulation" but rather the tribulation the church age is now experiencing. Which would tie back to verse 14 where it says the gospel will be taught all over the world, it isn't yet, almost but not quite. No I think to understand the Tribulation we have to remain in Revelation and within that book I don't see a person that does not take the mark making it through the Tribulation. EdB |
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8380 | Inhabitants of kingdom on earth | Rev 20:4 | EdB | 30157 | ||
Kalos I forgot to answer your question. No, I do not see a scripture that clearly says there won't be anyone survive the Tribulation that didn't take the mark. However do you see any scripture that clearly states there will be? To the best of my knowledge there isn't a clear answer one way or the other. In fact after much study of Revelation I doubt any with or without the mark will survive. Therefore I submit we may have the wrong idea about the millenium. EdB |
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