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8121 | What kind of whale swallowed Jonah? | Jonah | EdB | 10862 | ||
A real big one:-) Ed |
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8122 | Holy Spirit baptism and tongues | Mark 9:24 | EdB | 10858 | ||
I used that outline in an attempt to simplify that which to me you made complicated. Also since I suspected you were using outside sources I thought you would like to see I also was not standing alone in my thoughts on this subject. Your explanation might fly if Paul had only written chapter 14, but Paul also had written chapter 12 and 13. You hypothesis that Paul was using rhetorical questions and making allusions would stand were it not for verse 1 chapter 13, verse 10 chapter 12 and verse 15 chapter 14. You constructed your point on the theory that Paul was teaching that speaking in an unknown language was wrong. Ignoring the fact that Paul was teaching, that speaking in tongue of men was for public usage and speaking in tongues of angels in for private. You ignored Paul’s repeated reference of the two uses of tongues and the two forms of tongues therefore your construction starts to crumble. You tried to centralize your argument by saying Paul was using a rabbinical form of teaching and your right about his training, but most scholars agree Paul’s method of delivery was without that annoying, ‘saying much but never getting to the point’ method of teaching the Pharisees so loved. Paul spoke very bluntly here when he was bringing correction he did not want to be misunderstood. He was a master in making point and then using complementary terms to prove that point. He established truth and built upon it. Sure Paul used rhetorical questions, and asked questions that made the false appear ridiculous. However we never see Paul state a truth and then tear it down rhetorically or otherwise in an attempt to reinforce the original truth. And that is basically what your saying he was doing by your interpretation of this passage. That convinces me you do not have the correct understanding of it. I may not be hundred percent correct myself (that is why I still study this passage), but I see my position as far more defendable than the one you presented. I’m sorry if that offends you I meant no offense. |
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8123 | Holy Spirit baptism and tongues | Mark 9:24 | EdB | 10845 | ||
I can tell by your writing your upset and I apologize. Please do not take this to be an attack on you or your beliefs. We disagree and that is good iron sharpens iron. However what you wrote I have to respond to. I already said I never read the book. I was actually complementing you by saying that discourse had to come from Edgar and not you. From our previous discussions I thought you displayed more reason than that. I investigated the book after you mentioned it and I now understand the motive for it’s creation. It is something I care not to read. If it was a honest study on this subject I would have probably read it but since it is nothing more than a rebuttal to Dr, Jack Deere’s book it would serve no purpose. Incidentally I wasn’t real impressed with Deere’s book either. No I haven’t read everything on this subject, but I have read enough and understand the principals of hermeneutics (I’m starting to get into that word) enough to know the discourse you presented will not withstand pure textual scrutiny. You totally ignored Paul's statements in Chapter 12 and 13. In chapter 13 Paul again talks of tongues of angels. |
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8124 | Slain in the Spirit | Bible general Archive 1 | EdB | 10836 | ||
Bltzpk good question but one that has already been discussed at some length. Do a search on "slain in the spirit" in the box under 'quick search' upper right and you will find the discussion. I think I is on page 13 under general bible | ||||||
8125 | Tell me who unties them? | Matt 18:18 | EdB | 10833 | ||
Appleseed Matthew 24:45-51 does not say, imply or in any way insinuate that Jesus has given us the same authority He has. He could call down legends of angels to overthrow Rome I submit to you no angel answer to us. Sorry for butting in but I had to respond here. | ||||||
8126 | Holy Spirit baptism and tongues | Mark 9:24 | EdB | 10826 | ||
Richlou Let us use standard hermenuetics here and see what we come up. The Corinthians had overestimated the importance the gift of tongues in public worship. They were speaking in tongues without interpretation and Paul was bringing correction. An outline of the this chapter would be: 1 Prophecy edifies the church more than interpreted tongues. vv.1-4 2. Prophecy and tongues with interpretation are equally important to the church. v5 3. Speaking in tongues in public worship services without interpretation is of no benefit to others vv.6-12 4. Those who speak or pray in tongues in church should seek to edify the church by praying for the gift of interpretation. V 13 5. In Paul’s personal life speaking in tongues to God is an important means of worship and spiritual growth. vv. 14-19 6. Prophecy is more useful than uninterpreted tongues because prophecy brings conviction of sin and the knowledge of God’s presence. vv.20-25 7. Speaking in tongues and prophesying must be regulated so that order in maintained in the church. vv.26-40 Outline from Full Life Study Bible Publisher Zondervan Pg 1774. Verse 2 which we seem to have the most trouble with could be taken two ways. 1 Some believe that this verse indicates that the principal use of tongues, whether in the church or in private, is to speak primarily to God and not to humans. I disagree. 2 On the other hand Paul’s statement may mean that only God understands a tongue unless it is interpreted (v. 5). The implication would be that tongues, spoken about here is a prayer language. Verse 15 is a cap stone in this discussion. Paul is referring to his own experience, to his own private use of tongues directed to God. Paul used tongues not only for praying , but also for singing, praising, and giving thanks to God. Verse 18 Again the reason for this passage is correction Paul is saying he would rather speak five intelligible words than ten thousand no one knows what he is saying. But notice he did thank God for the ability to speak in tongues or those unintelligible words. Dr. John MacArthur explanation of this passage tips on the use of singular tongues and plural tongues. He bases his argument that when Paul used singular he was talking about gibberish and when Paul used the plural form he was talking about languages of man. I respectfully disagree with Dr MacArthur. I believe when Paul used the singular form he was in fact talking the language of Angels, of which there is only one, as the text states and when he used the plural he was talking of the tongues of men of which there are many. Whether Dr MacArthur be right and I be wrong or vice versa there is no way to get to the meaning of the text you came up with. |
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8127 | Holy Spirit baptism and tongues | Mark 9:24 | EdB | 10813 | ||
Boy you got all of that out of that passage huh? Your hermeneutics sure were busy. Richilou your distorting, taking liberties, and putting meaning and words in people’s mouths at will. I would imagine with your hermeneutics you could get just about anybody to say just about anything you wanted them to say. I have read many white papers and dissertations on this subject and never seen the liberties taken you have managed here. If as I suspect you got this from Dr Thomas Edgar WHO IS A CESSATIONIST, you have to understand his was a foaming at the mouth reply to Dr Jack Deere’s book Surprised by the Spirit. It was written to recoup loses the movement incurred when Dr. Jack Deere a professor at such a prestige citadel “for cessation of the gifts” as Dallas Theological seminary suffered when Dr Deere jumped ship and wrote his book. Even the most ardent cessationist would find fault with this interpretation of that passage. I think it safe to say Benjamin Warfield that set the standard for Dallas Theological seminary’s teaching that Tongues were not for today would blush at such hermeneutics. John MacArthur who also is very much against tongues would not accept the interpretation of this passage you just presented. Would you expect me? | ||||||
8128 | Holy Spirit baptism and tongues | Mark 9:24 | EdB | 10743 | ||
Let's just say I understand the meaning of the word hermeneutics without looking it up. How does that effect this discussion? As far as differing you have lost me as to what you hold to, other than the fact you don't think Paul said he prayed in tongues of angels. Yet Paul says very clearly in 1 Cor. 14:2 For one who speaks in a tongue does not speak to men but to God; for no one understands, but in his spirit he speaks mysteries. Paul also clearly said, " 1 Cor. 14:39-40 Therefore, my brethren, desire earnestly to prophesy, and do not forbid to speak in tongues. [40] But all things must be done properly and in an orderly manner." What part of that don't you agree with or how does your hermeneutics effect this? |
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8129 | LUCK - Satanic or Divine | Bible general Archive 1 | EdB | 10721 | ||
First please forgive any offense I was just trying to drive my point home. I'm so sorry! I have tried to answer your questions or statement here with the least amount of words possible but as many have said you would have to shoot me to shut me up. :-) Your Response Please give scripture where God promises to control every detail of a Christian’s life no matter how mundane it is. My answer Isn’t that what Psalm 37:23 says? “ The steps of a man are established by the Lord, And He delights in his way.” Your response Your view seems to be that machines will last forever if they are maintained. Sorry but that is not so. :) My answer No where did I say machines last forever they wear out and for a reason, we live in a imperfect world. Your respose I doubt if very many of us seek God’s will before deciding which fast food restaurant to eat at or which store to buy our clothing at. The small and seemingly unimportant decisions we make millions of times throughout our lives have effects such as who we meet. I believe God does direct our actions at times for His purposes. I also believe He gave us a sentient mind and we are responsible for making logical decisions on many matters without direct divine intervention. If I believed that all of life’s circumstances were God giving me a message I am not sure I could function in society (oh no my pencil lead broke, I must seek God for the meaning). My answer Your right few of us including me seek God’s direction for such mundane (as you put it) things, but maybe we should. If you listen to testimonies of the great men of the faith (Moody as an example) you will hear them over and over again repeat they sought God in all things. In saying there is not luck I’m not ruling out nature or the laws of probability but rather I’m saying when things do happen rather than walk away saying we are having a lousy day and luck is not with us we should be looking for how God could be using this. This is true story I had a friend call me all excited that her power steering broke. I said what are you nuts? She said no I‘m excite to see how God is going to use this. Three days later I had my car in getting a oil change and I saw her pull in. I went over to say hi. She jumped out of the car and said come on I have people for you to meet. She took me to the cashier and you would have thought you were in church! The cashier then called two salesman down from the showroom and we had more church. As it turned out my friend had used the broken power steering pump as an opportunity to tell three people about Jesus. Guess what the Power steering was under a recall no charge! Luck I don’t think so! Your response I am offended that you would think I believe that God was not Omnipresent, Omnipotent, Omniscient and Sovereign, and that I am a humanist by reading what I posted. Must be my inability to express my beliefs in writing. My answer If your worried about your inability of expressing yourself then imagine my dismay that I conveyed you were a humanist. I'm so sorry! I was trying to say luck was humanist or the thinking of the world today, that God isn’t in control, that things just happen. You have seen the bumper sticker “things happen”? That is nonsense things happen for a reason it isn't just luck. Your pencil broke? Some choose to believe that is lousy luck I choose to believe God knew I needed a rest or I needed to move my legs, or Sam over by the pencil sharpener needed to hear “how is life Sam? Or the guy that makes pencils needs more work so I grind my pencil down and get another one. :-) Luck is just not in my vocabulary, I don’t believe in it and I don’t live by it. I believe there is a purpose behind everything that happens. Again I'm so sorry that you took what I said as calling you a humanist or that you didn't beleive in the awesome attributes of God. |
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8130 | Holy Spirit baptism and tongues | Mark 9:24 | EdB | 10713 | ||
Okay then what are you saying? | ||||||
8131 | Holy Spirit baptism and tongues | Mark 9:24 | EdB | 10712 | ||
Richlou, you haven’t been listening to me, I have been saying all this time gibberish is not correct. I said the word here was “Glossa” which is in fact language ecstatic utterances of gibberish. Now here is where we differ, Paul said I pray in tongues of men and tongues of angels. I submit to you when your in the prayer closet praying and you yield to the Holy Spirit He will pray through you in the tongues of angels. When your in church and again yield to the Holy Spirit you will speak in tongues of men, it may be a language you do not know but somewhere someone speaks that language. In my experience when this was done properly and in order someone stood up and said, “You just spoke in my native language and you were glorifying God.” The Word says if there is a message in tongues there should be a translation if not tongues are to cease. Many times a person will be afraid to stand and translate, then others should pray to get the translation. I believe the ultimate responsibility rest with the tongue talker, if they felt lead to give a message in tongues and no one translates they have the responsibility to pray for the translation. If they do get it then I would question if they should have given the message to begin. |
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8132 | Only 144,000 virgins in heaven? | Revelation | EdB | 10696 | ||
Unless Jehovah Witnesses have changed their teachings (again) that is exactly what they taught. Only the 144,000 that was in the church in 1874 were going to heaven the rest were going to stay here on a perfect earth and they are called 'Jonadabs'. They also beleived Jesus returned and has been reigning since 1914. | ||||||
8133 | Holy Spirit baptism and tongues | Mark 9:24 | EdB | 10693 | ||
Obviously I haven't read this book, I probably won't but I'm willing to listen. What do you expect me to read in this book that I haven’t read in all the others? You say your not a cessationist then what are you? How do you think tongues and other gifts are to operate today? | ||||||
8134 | Holy Spirit baptism and tongues | Mark 9:24 | EdB | 10692 | ||
Okay how are they practiced today that makes them all wrong? | ||||||
8135 | LUCK - Satanic or Divine | Bible general Archive 1 | EdB | 10691 | ||
I disagree to a Christian nothing happens by chance. That is God’s promise. Many factors come into play in everything that happens but chance is not one of them for a Christians steps are ordered of the Lord. You used the example of you and your neighbor having cars and yours breakdowns more and you ask what does that show. It shows you have a Ford (Fix Or Repair Daily):-) ! Forgive me I just couldn’t pass the chance for some humor. Seriously what does that mean, maybe you didn’t take as good of care, or perform as much maintenance as your neighbor. You may have been slothful, or God wanted you to share Jesus with the mechanic, or auto parts person, or you hadn’t been paying your tithes, or you need a lesson in humility, patience. If I thought for a moment that God wasn’t in control of this world and the things that happen in it, then I won’t think God was Omnipresent, Omnipotent, Omniscient and Sovereign. In fact I would think things were out of control and the humanism might be right. But I know God is in control and all those things are true and the humanism is a lie from the pit of hell. |
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8136 | Tell me who unties them? | Matt 18:18 | EdB | 10688 | ||
Appleseed Pleading the blood of Jesus is an old church term for contenting yourself in Jesus’ care and protection. Nothing takes place that hasn’t already been done, but you find peace as you remind yourself greater is He who is in you than he who is in the world. I’m sorry I really should stop using these old church terms since many new comers are probably looking through their Bible for them and they ain’t there. Forgive my terminology Ed |
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8137 | LUCK - Satanic or Divine | Bible general Archive 1 | EdB | 10649 | ||
If you have a question ask away I'm sure someone will have answer for it. Be blessed and be a blessing Ed |
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8138 | Holy Spirit baptism and tongues | Mark 9:24 | EdB | 10642 | ||
He had nothing to answer? Maybe that man was wiser than I and realized the futility of trying to reason with a person that is vehemently against that which we attempt to reason. Friend I have studied this subject forward and backwards for over 20 years, I willing to say I have read over 50 books both pro and con on this subject. I have studied the responses of Benjamin Warfield, through John MacArthur on the cessation side and have studied the teachings of Charles Parham to Jack Hayford on the gifts are for today side. I have studied the aspects of the heresy of Montanaism. Having heard the points you raise debated many times by many men. I have at one time or another debated this issue from both sides. Through all of this I stand more convinced than ever tongues are for today. Let us stop this endless debate I suspect we can debate this until the cows come home (a phrase from my past that I saw just today after all these years) and never move the other from his position. I guarantee one thing we will both know the answer one day soon! Be blessed and be a blessing Ed |
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8139 | Holy Spirit baptism and tongues | Mark 9:24 | EdB | 10632 | ||
Again you confuse the two forms of tongues the prayer language which Paul is not talking about here and the Gift of Tongues he is. The gift of tongues or open display of tongues is to edify the church and requires interpretation. The use of tongues in a prayer language is private and to be don't in our closet as it were. | ||||||
8140 | No speaking in tongues, no Holy Spirit? | Acts 2:4 | EdB | 10631 | ||
Absolutely the Holy Spirit puts a burden on you and you have no idea in the world what it is other than you need to pray right now. However a few times later I have had family, friends, or someone tell me about a serious situation they found themselves and how God miraculously delivered them, which occurred at exactly the moment I was impressed to pray. | ||||||
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