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1 | The Father, The Son, The Holy Ghost. | Bible general Archive 1 | 2 Ti 2:15 | 76802 | ||
Remember God is a Spirit, and the bible says no man hath seen him at any time. He is omnipresent meaning he is everywhere at once he is even in the future and the past at the same time. (Awesome thought!) So how can we interact with a spirit or see a spirit? God would have to manifest or show himself. Read Isaiah you will find scripture after scripture that there is only ONE God. There isn't any beside him, no one before him, and NO ONE AFTER him. So we conclude one God. 1 Ti. 3:16 Without controversy (or without a question of a doubt) great is the mystery of godliness, God was MANIFEST (made to see plainly) in the flesh (or the form of man) justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles(No one until Jesus ever preached to gentiles) believed on in the world, and received up into glory. (who was believed on and received up into glory? Jesus!) So we find a man, that was actually God manifested to us in the form of a human. God manifest in the flesh. Granted it's hard to comprehend how a all powerful God could limit himself in the confines of man. Yet he did. Phil. 2:6 Says Jesus being in the FORM of (an invisible spirit) God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God. How because he was God in the flesh. Read Jn. 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the word was with God and the Word WAS GOD. The word being everything God is. Read on Down this word (13) And the word was made flesh (in the form of man. The invisible God was made in the form of a man) and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father, full of grace and truth. Begotten actually came from 3 Greeks words which mean 1)soley by oneself 2)to come into existence 3) to be like... So Jesus was the only one to ever be created who we could behold that was like God he alone is the only one like God that has come into existence or was created. God has always been. Does this mean he is seperate from God and they both are two? No, remember in Isaiah God said no one would be after him. He wouldn't allow anyone to receive his glory. However he allowed Jesus because through Jesus the manifest form of God, God is glorified. 1 Co. 4:4 says Jesus is the image of God, He. 1:3 says he is the brightness of his glory and his express image of his person. Jesus is the form of God in man. A picture if you will of God. IF you see a picture of yourself it's you but it's not all of you. Jesus was a glimpse of who God was but not the complete form of God as he was merely a man. God is so much bigger than a man so much more to him, just as there is so much more to you than a mere picture. However being in the form of God he thought it not reobbery to be equal with God. Jn. 10:30-33 Jesus said "I and my Father are one." this took the Jews back so much they picked up rocks to stone him, for blasphemy. verse 33 says that Jesus blasphemed by making himself God being in the form of man. Greater love hath no man than this that he lay down his own life.... 1Jn. 3:16 "Hereby perceive we (in this we can catch a glimpse) of God (note it doesn't say Jesus) hereby perceive we the Love of God, because HE (not Jesus) laid down his own life for us... 2 Cor. 5:19 "To wit, (or to think) God was in Christ reconciling the world unto himself..." Jesus was simply God. Remember God is so much bigger than we can comprehend. He can manifest himself in 10 different spots as 10 different forms and that doesn't seperate him or make more than one God. It is just how God sees to show himself to us if you will. The Holy Spirit is just that "THE" Holy Spirit. God is a Spirit, ane he alone is holy. The Holy Spirit has always been so it brings me back to Isaiah, if there were no God's beside him where would the Holy spirit have been. It was just another name for God. Names in the OT usually held a specific characteristic or meaning. If still unclear ask again or if wanting more scriptures just ask... |
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2 | The Father, The Son, The Holy Ghost. | Bible general Archive 1 | 2 Ti 2:15 | 76820 | ||
Isa 45:18 For thus saith the LORD that created the heavens; God himself that formed the earth and made it; he hath established it, he created it not in vain, he formed it to be inhabited: I am the LORD; and there is none else. Isa 45:12 I have made the earth, and created man upon it: I, even my hands, have stretched out the heavens, and all their host have I commanded. God himself made the earth... I am not attacking what you are saying because I believe we are on the same page. Jesus did create the worlds because he is God, manifest in the flesh. God is a spirit though, he is so much bigger than Jesus "the man" was. Note what was prayed in Jn. 17:5-6 And now, O Father, glorify thou me with thine own self with the glory which I had with thee before the world was. I have manifested thy name unto the men which thou gavest me out of the world: Here Jesus says glorify me with the glory which I had with the before the world was. So he had come down out of that "glory" status. Phil. 2:6 says he was in the FORM of God, NOT that he was God as God is a Spirit. Jesus was equal with God because he was God (IN THE FORM OF A HUMAN) No where will you find that he calls himself God. He eludes to it everywhere and those with the revelation understood that he was. Because he was God in the form of a man it wasn't wrong for him to be equal with God because he was God, everything that he could be "manifest in flesh." Until Jesus was glorified, he was unable to have omnipresence and the attributes of God the spirit. Although he was everything God could be wrapped up in the form of a man. He was completely God in that sense, finding himself in the Form of God, (again not God directly as God is a spirit and that was the very thing in Jn. 10:33 that appauled the Jews the most that a man would say he was God) Jesus has always been because Jesus is God. I am saying Jesus the man or body, flesh was created. 1 Pe. 1:20 says... "Who verily was foreordained before the foundation of the world but was manifest in these last times for you..." The body was formed or manifest. The man was created. But the divinity, God that was in that man (2 co. 5:19) has always been. Col. 2:9 says that the fullness of the Godhead dwelt in him bodily. Jn. 14:26 Says the Holy Ghost will be sent in His name Jn. 5:43 Jesus said he is come in his fathers name Jn. 17:6 Jesus said he had manifest or shown plainly the name of the father 1 Co. 8:4 says there is none other God but one I believe God has always been and he manifest himself as man in order to save us. In the Old testament it testifies that God alone is our saviour in the NT is states Jesus alone is our Savior, They are the same. Not only in purpose but the same. God laid down his own life 1 Jn. 3:16. TRINITY is a word man has made up in a poor effort to describe the Godhead. Ultimatly the Godhead was in Jesus and the 3 are one. Jesus has all power and it is through him and his propitiation we will be saved. God bless you |
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3 | The Father, The Son, The Holy Ghost. | Bible general Archive 1 | 2 Ti 2:15 | 76841 | ||
The word trinity, which isn't even in the bible and doesn't really matter what it means, actually originally meant there were 3 separate entities. Father, Son, and Holy Ghost. These 3 were coequal in power and unified in purpose. Which is not what you are saying. Over time this word has lost some meaning and many people and church use it. It has really two meanings now. That which you state and the older original meaning. Again it doesn't matter what the word means as it's not even in the Bible. You say the Father God couldn't be greater than Jesus the man... JN. 14:28 "Ye have heard how I said unto you, I go away, and come again unto you. If ye loved me, ye would rejoice, because I said, I go unto the Father: for my Father is greater than I." I believe that Jesus was the "form" of God but since God in his fulness and is a spirit he has no form right? He took on a form, which was Jesus and though he was merely a man it allowed God to receive glory through this form. In truth God had no form as he is a spirit. in your statement ...He was God before He became human and He still is God. (here you are saying that Jesus is God, which I agree) You are confusing Him with the Father. (How can you confuse him with the Father when they are both the same... God) He came to proclaim the Father as God, just as the Holy Spirit proclaims Him as God. .....or are you saying they aren't the same, God. I am saying that God in the form of Jesus, was limited while he walked the earth by the weakness of man. Although he was "God" he was also completely a man. God cannot be tempted, yet Jesus was. God cannot hunger, yet Jesus did. God doesn't get weak, yet Jesus did. Does this mean the bible is contradictory? No it just simply means there is a relationship her that is hard to comprehend. Jesus was merely a man who was all that God could show in the flesh. So being everything God was in the form of man, made him the image of who God is. The spirit or sould was without measure in him alone, so God himself lived in this man. It will be in the last day when Jesus finally puts all things under his feet that he will submit unto the Father (which represents God in his fulness) and at that time it will be known that it was God in all. Until that time God has to remain as Jesus the mediator of mankind. But when all is finished that role will no longer be needed so Jesus will be glorified and sit on the throne. Well anyhow, I appreciate your comments, but I feel this conversation isn't going to go anywhere so God bless and may God reveal to both us a clearer revelation of him, his grace, and the word. Casey |
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4 | PLEASE EXPLAIN MATTHEW 19:8 | Bible general Archive 1 | 2 Ti 2:15 | 82892 | ||
My brother, May the God of Peace and Wisdom be with you. Jesus told the Pharisee's that divorce was never his plan however becuase man is hard hearted he allowed for it. God would rather us forgive 7 times 70 and reconcile our differences. However, it takes two in marriage so you may have the best motives, but without the other spouses help you cant do it. You can't go back and change everything in your life either. Sometimes it would be more destructive and confusing. Consider this: A man is married and divorced he then remarries another woman who has never been married. He has 2 children. Would God have him to leave her (this is his current wifes 1st marriage remember) and go back to his 1st wife? Then his current wife would be alone with 2 children. Would she be left out of the loop and as she can't back to her 1st spouse.? This would leave a mother and two children who havent done anything wrong without a father and husband would that be Gods will? I don't know if that was more confusing than helping... If possible you are better to get back together if the both of you can reconcile. If she is not willing or there are just unreconcilable differences God allowed for divorce. (you just have to be sure you aren't the one pushing for the speration if she is willing to work on it) I agree with what everyone else has noted, you need to search your heart and decide for yourself. Do you feel God wants you to try and get back together? Only you and God know your heart so this is a matter someone else can't really tell you what to do. I pray God would lead you into what is right. I believe you are on the right track my friend as you are questioning. It's a hard subject God be with you. Casey |
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5 | Question #5 for tremere123 | Exodus | 2 Ti 2:15 | 67843 | ||
In Heb. chapter 6:1-6 Talks about leaving the principles of the our doctrine which ultimately came from Jesus. Then it goes on to tell what our principle doctrine is. "Not laying againt he foundation repentance from dead works and of faith toward God, and of the doctrine of babtisms (Jn3:3-5 we see is babtism of water and babtism of spirit) etc... then, after explaining the foundation and basic beliefs of our salvation, it goes on to say It is impossible for those who were ONCE ENLIGHTENED and have experienced all these things, to renew them AGAIN unto repentance seeing they crucify to themselves the Son of God afresh and put him to an open shame. They knew and then turned their back on the truth of God blaspheming the Holy Ghost. In Ro. chapter one it talks about the sinners who knew God or at least knew what was required of themselves (vs 32) but went ahead and sinned because they loved sin. Verse 28 states God finally just turned them over to a reprobate mind. In 2 Thes. 2:10-12 it says God sent the people a delusion that they should believe a lie becuase they had pleasure in unrighteousness and didn't receive a love for the truth. Then in verse 15 he warns the church to hold fast to their traditions. If we commit the only unforgivable sin which I believe is to be turning our back on God and leaving the principles of the Doctrine Jesus taught, having pleasure in sin, we become like the man who began to work in the feild and turned to look back. It's a scary thought but Jesus said he was unfit for the kingdom of God. I believe it is more than a mere sin but a actual turning from the foundations and basics of Truth. I believe if a person goes this far and loves sin so much they leave the principles of the doctrine of Christ it is impossible as they have become blinded and there would be only one way for them to come back. God would have to open their eyes to the truth and draw them back to himself as no man come to God unless God draws him. Thus this person is Lost as God does turn people over to themsleves. Anyhow you can interpret it any way you want but I feel it is farther then just blatent sin becuase many of us have played the role of the prodigal son and God has brought back. I believe blasphemy of the Holy Ghost is an actual rejection of the truth which you once experienced and knew for yourself. God bless |
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6 | What would He. 6:1-6 be referring | Exodus | 2 Ti 2:15 | 67948 | ||
Hank maybe you are right. What do you think Heb 6 would be referring to then? "Therefore leaving the principles of the doctrine of Christ....it is impossible for those who were once elightened...to renew again unto repentance, seeing they crucify to themselves the Son of God and put him to an open shame." My thoughts have always just been THAT was blasphemy of the Holy Ghost. To have known God and yet reject and deny him and his teachings openly before men. Nothing else comes to mind that one could do and not be forgiven of. What do you think blasphemy of the Holy Ghost would be? Tell me what you think. God Bless Casey |
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7 | he 6:1-6 unforgivable sin? | Exodus | 2 Ti 2:15 | 67950 | ||
Hank maybe you are right. What do you think Heb 6 would be referring to then? "Therefore leaving the principles of the doctrine of Christ....it is impossible for those who were once elightened...to renew again unto repentance, seeing they crucify to themselves the Son of God and put him to an open shame." The bible says there is only one unforgivable sin. My thoughts have always just been THAT was blasphemy of the Holy Ghost. To have known God and yet reject and deny him and his teachings openly before men. This kind of sin says it is impossible for this person to repent so I just figure it was referring to that particular sin. Nothing else comes to mind that one could do and not be forgiven of. What do you think blasphemy of the Holy Ghost would be and how is this unrepentable or unforgivable sin relate when the bible says there is only one unforgivable sin. Tell me what you think. I am not trying to be argumentative or rude so please don't take me that way. God Bless Casey |
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8 | What would He. 6:1-6 be referring | Exodus | 2 Ti 2:15 | 67957 | ||
You have a good point. My question would be does blasphemy have to come from ones mouth to equal blasphemy. I haven't studied it that deep as I don't plan on doing either (ha...) Ultimately it is God that called us out of darkness into his marvelous light, and he he draws us unto himself. The scripture says no man can come to God unless God draws him. Is it possible, the unforgivable sin is blaspheming the HG by turning your back on all his teachings all he has shown us and throwing it back in his face. The action of choosing sin and disregarding the truth as not truth. Having pleasure in sin and loving that lifestyle. Then once that person would do that God would stop calling them, stop drawing them as no man can come to God unless God draws him. I can't imagine any reason why God would stop calling someone to himself as he would that none should perish but all come to repentance. If a person commits the unforgivable sin then God might turn them over to a reprobate mind and letting them live in their ignorance doing what they will without the conviction of his spirit in their lives. I guess what I am trying to say is Gods mercy endureth forever, is grace surpasses our understanding. So why would God turn away one of his creation unless they have committed the unforgivable sin and cannot be saved. Jesus said unless you believe in him on the things he said that he was the messiah you would die in your sins. Possibly that was referring to blasphemy, rejecting him and his truth which would deem us unforgivable as we can only be saved through Jesus and his truth. To reject him is to reject God so you would be rejecting your own salvation you would be damned as you must believe on Jesus and his teachings. Thus it would make sense we couldn't be forgiven. I have heard ministers growing up say no this scripture blasphemy of the HG is only for those who have known God. The scripture however doesn't say this. It says blasphemy of the HG is the unforgivable sin. I believe if one isn't in church they can blaspheme the HG by rejecting Christ as our Savior. In HE. 6 I think it is building on this fact saying it is impossible if you have known or heard the Truth of his gospel and turn from it as your damning yourself by rejecting your salvation and then by rejecting him he also rejects us. God does turn people over to reprobate mind (see Ro. chptr 1, 2 Thes. chptr 2) So without our own convition and without God drawing us to himself it is impossible to be forgiven. God could forgive anyone as he paid the price right? I don't think it is unforgivable because God chooses or it offends him that much, but I think it is more we curse ourselves by rejecting him. Then it is unforgivable because we reject him. I may be way off, needless to say we shouldn't do either and we should be afraid of anything that concerns with the area. As Paul wrote we should avoid foolish questions, etc for they are vain and unprofiable. Either way brother the fact is we shouldn't err. Tonight I will actually spend some time studing the passages and study the word blasphemy and see what we can find out. GOD BLESS, Casey |
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9 | What would He. 6:1-6 be referring | Exodus | 2 Ti 2:15 | 67966 | ||
I would agree to that. I enjoy discussing some would say debating the scriptures because it helps to hone your thoughts and hear other peoples view on subjects. Sometimes we can (and I speak for myself) biast seeing only what we want or think we see. GOD BLESS, Casey |
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10 | Praise the Lord! | Exodus | 2 Ti 2:15 | 68025 | ||
Jesus said you will know them by the fruit they bear. Ga. 5:24 says that they that are Christs have crucified the flesh with the affections and lusts. 1Jn 5:18 says whosever is born of God sinneth not. All we have to do is believe and confess with our mouth Ro. 10:9? Mt. 7 talks about the plant that grew but didn't bring forth fruit would be cast into the fire. Jesus went on to say in verse 21 "Not everyone that saith unto me Lord, Lord, (Adonai same as master) shall enter into the kingdom of heaven, but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven. Many people say it is by simple faith we receive salvation. Obviously according to the law there is nothing we can do to attain it, but what we work to attain is favour I believe in his sight. He. 10:26 says if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth there remaineth no more sacrifice for our sins. Ga. 6:7-8 states "Be not deceived;God is not mocked: for whatsoever a man soweth, that shall he also reap. If we sow sin we will reap of sin which is death. By faith we believe that Jesus was the adequate propitiation for our sins. But we must continue good works to receive salvation. The famous passage from He 11 and also James chapter 2. In James he is addressing the church as they are judging the people and not counting the poor as highly as the rich he goes onto say that if you have faith without any evidence or works he goes on to say it's great you believe in one God but that doesn't save you. For the devils believe, you have to have some works or evidence because faith without actions is dead it's not real faith. Verse 24 he says ye see then that by WORKS a man is justified and not by faith alone. Ultimately there is no amount of "works" we can do to attain salvation. But God will not be mocked we must live holy. In I Co. 6:9 it tells us the Unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God. 2 Co. 5:17 says any man that is in Christ Jesus will be a new creature, old things are passed away, and all things are new. 1 Jn. 3:24 says we know that we abide in him and he in us if we keep his commandments. There should be a major change in ones life if they truly are saved. I don't say this to condemn but the scriptures point to it. As Jesus says (mt7:21) Just because we call him Lord doesnt mean were saved. I don't think every one that confesses the Lord Jesus, and "believes in their heart" will be saved. That is if there is no change in their life. There has to be a change. We are no longer married to the law and sin but died released from that and remarried unto Christ and Good works. · Tit. 2:11-12 “For the grace of God that bringeth salvation hath appeared to all men, teaching us that, denying ungodliness and worldly lusts, we should live soberly, righteously, and godly, in this present world.” · Ph. 1:10-11 Paul tells the church at Philippi they need to be filled with the fruits of righteousness that they may be without offense or guilt in the end. · Col. 3:12 says the elect of God are HOLY · I The. 1:3 Paul tells the church at Thessalonica that he remembered the “work” of their faith…. Then in vs. 6-7 says they have been good examples to other followers · 2 Pe. 1:3-10 says we are called to righteousness that we might make sure our calling. · I Pe. 3:12 “The eyes of the Lord are over the righteous, and his ears are open unto their prayers: but the face of the Lord is against them that do evil.” |
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11 | Praise the Lord! | Exodus | 2 Ti 2:15 | 68026 | ||
Isaiah 28 says we are to take the word of God and add line upon line precept upon precept here a little there a little. Paul said "out of the mouth of two or three witnesses let every word be established." We cannot look at one scripture and think that is the whole picture God was trying to paint. The bible says if we don't do the will of the Father it doesn't matter what miracles we have performed we won't see heaven yet the scripture in Romans states if we confess with our mouth the Lord Jesus and believe in our hearts... we will be saved. I don't mean to be negative about this but I am adament about this. the Greek word used a majority of the time for believe is: "Pisteuo" BELIEVE: Greek equivalent “PISTEUO”(4100) Pistueo means: to believe, put ones faith in, trust, with An implication that actions based on that trust would follow. Pistueo is translated into English as Believe(115), Believeth(77), believest(8), committed(3), committed unto(1) etc It's interested the word is also translated into committed. I think sometimes words can lose meaning over time and we should go back to the original text to find what God was really trying to portray. Anyhow I don't mean to come accross offensive. So God Bless all of you. (The followers where told, when they asked about John and his followers babtism being different than theirs if they were quote christians and they were told if they profess or claim Jesus they are my sheep. I know many of us here may disagree about some things but ultimately we all believe in Jesus so we are all family. People in Church are always learning some never able to come to a knowledge of the full truth, but for all I am concerned I appreciate everyone on this board. I am a man with a passion for God a passion for his Word. I love to discuss and study the depths and heights of Gods mysteries. We are alike and I would call all of you friends even if we don't agree on some things. God Bless you all, Casey |
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12 | Am I saved until Christ returns? | Phil 1:6 | 2 Ti 2:15 | 82780 | ||
I believe when you truly have "accepted Christ" as your saviour he will keep you. The problem is, if you turn back. Heb. 10:26 says there will be no more sacrifice for our sins. In other words if you deliberatly leave him and choose to sin Gods mercy will no longer cover you. At that point you would have to come back to God with a repentant heart. The really important question is what do you have to do to be saved. Many people say all you have to do is believe. And there are some scriptures which would seem to support this theory... such as Eph 2:8 "For by grace are ye saved through faith..." and others. Ultimatly we are saved by faith as no works we do can save us it is by our trust in him. The bible tells us to verify everything out of the mouth of 2 or 3 witnesses, line upon line, precept upon precept. Take the whole bible and put it together not just a couple versus. There are some signs that follow true believers. Ja. 2 tells us that faith or believing without any works or evidence is not TRUE faith. Mk 1616 states "He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved, but he that believeth not, shall be damned." Why becuase it's through our faith in him and his sacrifice that gives us access to God. Read on it talks about some of the characteristics of a believer. NOTE it says these signs SHALL follow them that BELIEVE.... In my name they shall cast out demons; they shall speak with new tounges;... Acts 1:8 says you receive power after you receive the Holy Ghost. If you read Acts 2 they spoke with other tounges after receiving the Holy Ghost. Every account of receiving the Holy Ghost that actually goes into depth tells of them speaking in other tounges. Jn. 3:1-8 Jesus speaks to Nicodemus telling him what we must do to be saved. Be born again of Water and of the Spirit. Baptism of the water, and baptism of the spirit he goes on states you cannot enter heaven unless you are born again baptized and receive the Holy Ghost ... he goes on in verse 8 saying the wind blows where it listeth and thou hearest the sounds thereof, but canst not see whence it cometh.... the wind blows where it will and we can't see it however!!! HOWEVER! you can hear it! so is everyone that is born of the spirit. When you recieve the Holy Ghost people wont be able to see it but they will hear it when you speak with other tounges. Many people choose to say it isn't essential ecspecially those who haven't experienced it. They want to say it's not necessary to speak in tounges to receive the Holy Ghost. Why? because they don't want to admit they may be wrong and may not have that relationship they proclaim. In Mt. 7:21 it says many will say to Jesus Lord Lord.... they will call him Lord and say weve done many wonderful things all in your name. They are people that went to church and did many things in the church. It goes on to say he turned them away because he "never knew them" ... there was never the intamacy that comes through the Holy Ghost. God requires a relationship. It's a must. This is what separates the wheat and tare. Those that aren't truly hungry for God won't receive the Holy Ghost becuase their motives are directed elsewhere. It's not hard or difficult. It simply requires a true hunger to know God. This is something you can't fake to God as he knows your heart. I would encourage anyone who believes all you have to do is believe, to double check it. It is your soul and don't just believe because thats what you've been taught and because you havnt experienced speaking in tounges. Maybe no one you know has. The disciples came to a group of believers in Acts and askd if they had the Holy Ghost ... they said we have not so much have heard whether there be any holy Ghost. Faith alone in Jesus doesn't give us the Holy Ghost or these believers would have had it. They already believed in Jesus enough to be baptized. There is so much more that many people don't experience and I would encourage anyone and everyone to look further into this with an open heart and mind. God bless and may you excell in wisdom and in Love. Casey |
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13 | Am I saved until Christ returns? | Phil 1:6 | 2 Ti 2:15 | 82790 | ||
1st... 1 Co. 12:30 The passage states... do all speak with tongues concerning the Gift of the Spirit. I would ask you does every Christian have the gift of Faith because they believe on Jesus. The bible says without faith in him we cannot be saved, so where is the line drawn? Just becuase God would choose tounges as the initial evidence of the Holy Ghost does that not mean there couldn't be a gift of the spirit "tounges?" The gifts were for the church and to bless the body whereas the Holy Ghost is for the individual. How do you explain Rom 8:26 Likewise the Spirit also helpeth our infirmities: for we know not what we should pray for as we ought: but the Spirit itself maketh intercession for us with groanings which cannot be uttered. The bible says the Spirit makes intercession for us with Groanings which cannot be uttered? 1Cr 14:6 Now, brethren, if I come unto you speaking with tongues, what shall I profit you, except I shall speak to you either by revelation, or by knowledge, or by prophesying, or by doctrine? Here it shows tongues doesn't do any good for the other person. If it wasn't the evidence 1Cr 12:19 And if they were all one member, where [were] the body? Why would God have empowered all the people in the upper room with the same "gift of the Spirit?" What would God need 120 people everyone in the place to be used in the same gift what was the purpose and what did it accomplish at that moment, but as a sign when they went outside Peter stood up and said this is the Holy Ghost which the prophet Joel prophesied about.... 1Cr 14:23 If therefore the whole church be come together into one place, and all speak with tongues, and there come in [those that are] unlearned, or unbelievers, will they not say that ye are mad? So why would God have used the "gift of Tongues" in Acts 2 as a sign for the people? When here it states they shouldn't all do it becuase it would confuse the people. How do you explain Mk 16:16-19 then? He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned. Mar 16:17 And these signs shall follow them that believe; In my name shall they cast out devils; they shall speak with new tongues; Mar 16:18 They shall take up serpents; and if they drink any deadly thing, it shall not hurt them; they shall lay hands on the sick, and they shall recover. I would propose that a true believer has the ability whenever he comes in contact with a demon possessed individual to cast it out 2) that we should all speak with tongues ((((my question is directly towards 2, how do you explain this)))) 3) in the event you are physically harmed (which we know we arent to tempt the Lord our God) God will protect his true believers or if we were to accidently drink something harmful God would protect us. HOW DO YOU EXPLAIN: 1Cr 14:18 I thank my God, I speak with tongues more than ye all: Here Paul states he speaks with tongues MORE THAN YE ALL... stating they also speak with tongues but he does it frequently. Here it appears the whole church in Corinth which was in fact a grounded church spoke with tongues. 1 Co. 14:29 says "forbid not to speak with tongues." FINALLY I WOULD END WITH THIS: Act 10:45 And they of the circumcision which believed were astonished, as many as came with Peter, because that on the Gentiles also was poured out the gift of the Holy Ghost. Act 10:46 For they heard them speak with tongues, and magnify God. Then answered Peter, here it states they were astonished when they saw them receive the Holy Ghost for "FOR THEY HEARD THEM SPEAK WITH TONGUES" there is no immediant visual evidence one receives the Holy Ghost but as Jn. 3:8 states it's like the wind you can hear it I don't mean to be argumentative. I have debated it with myself for sometime and after experiencing it for myself there is no way I will be convinced otherwise. I have been on both side of the tracks with this issue.. I thought people were finatics that were all about speaking it tongues but after experiencing it for myself I understand it's just excitement about meeting Jesus. Sincerely God bless you my Brother Casey |
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14 | Am I saved until Christ returns? | Phil 1:6 | 2 Ti 2:15 | 82818 | ||
This is my last entry on the subject so you can say what you will, the question I would ask you, is have you ever spoke in tongues or personally known anyone that has? Furthermore are the gifts of the spirit operating in your church? For they do in mine. 1Cr 2:13 Which things also we speak, not in the words which man's wisdom teacheth, but which the Holy Ghost teacheth; comparing spiritual things with spiritual. 1Cr 2:14 But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know [them], because they are spiritually discerned. The natural man no matter how great his wisdom (look at the Pharisee's) cannot comprehend or understand the things of God. The Holy Spirit Jn.16:13 states leads us into all truth. Without the baptism of the Spirit one can't have that witness. Ro. 8:16 says the Spirit bears witness with our spirit so I think that's pretty good test to me. On the subject of the Mormons, as a whole do they have the Holy Ghost? No. You never answered my question also about the gift of Faith. If I have faith in Christ does that mean I have the gift of Faith. I am saying the gift of Tounges isn't the same as the initial evidence of the Holy Ghost. Have you ever heard of Interpretation and tounges? I feel that this is just turning into an an argument so this will be my last entry. Feel free to comment for future readers. |
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15 | Am I saved until Christ returns? | Phil 1:6 | 2 Ti 2:15 | 82849 | ||
Well my brothers, I appreciate your comments and time and just want to say no hard feelings. I knew this subject was of great controversy throughout the denominations of Christianity, when I typed the first thread. May God unify us as his church and keep us in the bond of Love until his return. God Bless! Casey 8) |
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