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1 | Salvation for the Gentiles | Bible general Archive 4 | BradK | 219660 | ||
Hello Yensla, Doc has provided a very comprehensive and Biblically sound answer to this question. However, in answer to your 2 specific questions, here are my replies: 1. If you would, could you explain how was a Jew saved, prior to Christ's atonement, proselyte or not? I believe that there has been and is only one way of salvation, and that is by faith in God’s only provision for our salvation, Jesus Christ. In Romans 1:18—3:20 Paul demonstrates that all men (Jews and Gentiles alike) are lost in their sin, and incapable of saving themselves. The only provision is the shed blood of Jesus Christ (3:21-30). Peter is very clear when he speaks to the Jews that they can only be saved by faith in Christ (Acts 2:22-42 – Note especially Acts 4:8-12), as was Paul (Acts 13:16-41; Philippians 3:1-16). Jesus said that Abraham “saw His day” (John 8:56). Paul has some very strong words to say about those who come with a different gospel (Galatians 1:6-10). Paul makes it clear that Old Testament saints (specifically Abraham) were saved by faith, and not by works (see Romans 4). Old Testament Jews were condemned as sinners by the law, and were saved by the One who was promised to come to save them (Genesis 3:15; 12:1-3 – note especially Galatians 3:16 here; Deuteronomy 18:15ff.; Isaiah 7:14; 9:6-7; 52-53 – compare Luke 2:21-38). 2. Was it by the works of the Law? No, salvation always has been by grace through faith! ( Rom. 4:2-3; Gal. 2:16) Speaking the Truth in Love, BradK |
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2 | Salvation for the Gentiles | Bible general Archive 4 | YenIsaRap | 219661 | ||
Dear Brad Thank you for the time you have spent, nice discussion:-) Could you please, answer one more question if you would? Where, and When did this Theology, Doctrine, Belief originate, Who was the first one to put it into a comprehensive Teaching? I say Teaching because all of you haven't come to this understanding individually. There must be some book somewhere that has the thoughts of the original author. I am curious, as I would personally like to do, an in depth study on this subject, rather than debate it without the cohesive, contextual chain of thought, originally intended, by the author. Attempting to learn a subject through debate, would be likened to building a house, by starting with the blueprints for the second story, and completely omitting the Plumbing, and Electrical blueprints altogether. You have no Idea, as to how I have grown in the Lord, since my coming to the Forum, this has truly been a learning place for me, I fully believe the Lord led me here, and has stretched me greatly. As always Be blessed YenIsaRap |
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3 | Salvation for the Gentiles | Bible general Archive 4 | BradK | 219664 | ||
Hello Yenlsa, Thank for your willingness- and humility! The short answer to your question is: This "doctrine" is taught throughout scripture itself! Unfortunately, the scope of your question would require much time to search and research the teaching of the Church Fathers. However, the Puritan, Jonathan Edwards published his work, "A History of the Work of Redemption" around 1773. I quote from him briefly: "The work of redemption is a work that God carries on from the fall of man to the end of the world. The generations of mankind on the earth which began after the fall, by ordinary generation, are partakers of the corruption of nature that followed from it; and these generations, by which the human race is propagated, shall continue to the end of the world. These two are the limits of the generations of men on the earth; the fall of man, and the end of the world, or the day of judgment. The same are the limits of the work of redemption, as to those progressive works of God, by which that redemption is brought about and accomplished, though not as to the fruits of it; for they shall be to eternity. The work of redemption and the work of salvation are the same thing. What is sometimes in Scripture called God’s saving his people, is in other places called his redeeming them. So Christ is called both the Saviour and the Redeemer of his people. Before entering on the proposed History of the Work of Redemption, I would explain the terms made use of in the doctrine;— and show what those things are that are designed to be accomplished by this great work of God. First. I would show in what sense the terms of the doctrine are used;— particularly the word redemption;— and, how this is a work of God, carried on from the fall of man to the end of the world. When it is said in the doctrine, that this is a work that God is carrying on from the fall of man to the end of the world, what I mean is, that those things which belong to this work itself, and are parts of the scheme, are all this while accomplishing. There were some things done preparatory to its beginning, and the fruits of it will remain after it is finished. But the work itself was begun immediately upon the fall, and will continue to the end of the world. The various dispensations of God during this space, belong to the same work, and to the same design, and have all one issue; and therefore are all to be reckoned but as several successive motions of one machine, to bring about in the conclusion one great event. And here also we must distinguish between the parts of redemption itself, and the parts of the work by which that redemption is wrought out. There is a difference between the parts of the benefits, and the parts of the work of God by which those benefits were procured and bestowed. For example, the redemption of Israel out of Egypt, considered as the benefit which they enjoyed, consisted of two parts, viz. their deliverance from their former Egyptian bondage and misery, and their being brought into a more happy state, as the servants of God, and heirs of Canaan. But there are many more things which are parts of that work. To this belongs his calling of Moses, his sending him to Pharaoh, and all the signs and wonders he wrought in Egypt, and his bringing such terrible judgments on the Egyptians, and many other things. Such is this work by which God effects redemption, and it is carried on from the fall of man to the end of the world, in two respects. 1. With respect to the effect wrought on the souls of the redeemed; which is common to all ages. This effect is the application of redemption with respect to the souls of particular persons, in converting, justifying, sanctifying and glorifying them. By these things they are actually redeemed, and receive the benefit of the work in its effects. And in this sense the work of redemption is carried on in all ages, from the fall of man to the end of the world. The work of God in converting souls, opening blind eyes, unstopping deaf ears, raising dead souls to life, and rescuing the miserable captives out of the hands of Satan, was begun soon after the fall of man, has been carried on in the world ever since to this day, and will be to the end of the world. God has always had such a church in the world. Though oftentimes it has been reduced to a very narrow compass, and to low circumstances; yet it has never wholly failed." I trust this will be of some help, BradK |
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